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11-30-2007, 01:12 PM
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Nothing, except the fact, it was HIS CHOICE matters. Now I realize there is a group of fools, in this country, who want to remove our right to make choices, but that has not, and will not happen. At least not while we are a FREE nation.
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Teak
I agree with you 100 percent on this. It was his choice to accept the risk of not having the transfusion. Personally, I disagree with not having it but I have no choice but to accept his decision. His life belongs to him, not to anyone else and I am always tickled at those who claim to believe in freedom but continually try to tell the rest of us how to live.
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End of story realy. People have a right to die with dignity and not live the rest of there lives with needles and medication being pumped into them day in and day out.
I would have fought it to the end, myself. I sincerely understand someone's right to decide to give up. When faced with invasive medical treatments and long drawn out and emotionaly draining situations like these.
I had a Uncle decide the same thing. Have surgery and live another 5-10 years with the assistance of a Nurse for 24/7. Or make peace with God and Family and live the remainder of your life with dignity.
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Thats fine, but where do you draw the line? For instance, can a six year old make this choice? Can a six year old's parents make that choice for them? Personally, I think the choice CANNOT be made by a 14 year old kid.
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Yes, this is how I feel as well....everyone has a right to live or die as they see fit, provided they hurt no one but themself.....
Religion sucks...it's just superstition....
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You ruined what would have been a brief yet well thought out post with your last statement. There was no reason for this, all you did was insult the majority of people in the world with your opinion.
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11-30-2007, 01:23 PM
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Ah the power of faith. . . or indoctrination, however one might look at it.
It's not as though he made a choice to live or die, as some have suggested. He refused a procedure that MAY have PROLONGED his life. This kind of thing would need a case-by-case reveiw process but I don't think a 14 year old kid should have such a decision placed upon his/her shoulders. But again, a very very few at that age may just be able to grasp the gravity of such an issue.
BTW- Fucking religious crazies 
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11-30-2007, 01:38 PM
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End of story realy. People have a right to die with dignity and not live the rest of there lives with needles and medication being pumped into them day in and day out.
I would have fought it to the end, myself. I sincerely understand someone's right to decide to give up. When faced with invasive medical treatments and long drawn out and emotionaly draining situations like these.
I had a Uncle decide the same thing. Have surgery and live another 5-10 years with the assistance of a Nurse for 24/7. Or make peace with God and Family and live the remainder of your life with dignity.
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Agreed.....
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11-30-2007, 01:43 PM
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Agreed.....
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At what age, Oceanbreeze, does this agreement start and end. What about 4, 5, 6, 9, 13 year olds? That is where I tend to think a person should not have that decision to make.
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11-30-2007, 01:58 PM
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At what age, Oceanbreeze, does this agreement start and end. What about 4, 5, 6, 9, 13 year olds? That is where I tend to think a person should not have that decision to make.
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The legal age of adult in most states is 18/19. But, then we have to consider:
Age of consent
Age of criminal responsibility
Emancipation of minors
Legal drinking age
Marriageable age
Voting age
Retrieved from Age of majority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I know Wiki isn't always credible but it sums it for me;
Age of majority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If the child is only 14 and has decided his fate, would have chosen it without his religious upbringing? Most kids are optomistics. It's the way he was raised, is it right? No, not in my personal opinion. My dad was optomistic he was going to beat his cancer until the day he died. So, why did the child give up? Again, probably his upbringing. 
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11-30-2007, 02:00 PM
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Actually, this was not an issue of invasive medical treatments etc etc. Its the fact the Jehovah Witnesses don't believe in blood transfusions from a religious point of view. One blood transfusion would probably have saved his life and never again would he have been bothered.
It was still his choice, no matter how stupid or misguided it might have been
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Leukemia patients need repeated blood transfusions. As well as Chemotherapy, A molitov cocktail of drugs, intravenious nutrition and so on.
But still, It was his choice.
To the claims that he was too young to decide. It was his faith. Regardless of what you think or feel or hate about his faith is moot. It was his and his family's decision. What you opt for, the state to take over and lay claim over his body and force him to take treatment?
It is sad to see a child die like this, but there are a lot of things to be concerned about than the religious convictions of a child and his family. It realy does not concern anyone but the Kid and his Family. So I fail to see what the outrage is about...
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11-30-2007, 02:06 PM
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To the claims that he was too young to decide. It was his faith. Regardless of what you think or feel or hate about his faith is moot. It was his and his family's decision. What you opt for, the state to take over and lay claim over his body and force him to take treatment?
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Doesn't matter if it was his faith or not, he was not old enough to make the decision. Under your rationale a four year old could refuse treatment. Not only that, it isn't the family's decision to let him die, but his, and if he isn't old enough to make that decision then it can't be made.
People have been found guilty of child abuse for denying a child medical care based on religious beliefs . . . these freedoms aren't absolute. You keep telling people that they need to better understand the Constitution but since you have some sort of belief that all these are absolute rights then it is you who knows every little about the Constitution.
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11-30-2007, 02:13 PM
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It is his Aunt's right. His Parents gave up custody. Which her nephew shared those beliefs, of his aunt. The State has no place or right to interfere with this. This is a personal manner, of which concerns noone but the people involved.
If it is your belief that Blood Transfusions are immoral or wrong, who is the state to say otherwise? Let alone lay ownership over a person's body and force them (child or adult ) to do something there faith or beliefs do not agree with.
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11-30-2007, 02:23 PM
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It is his Aunt's right. His Parents gave up custody. Which her nephew shared those beliefs, of his aunt. The State has no place or right to interfere with this. This is a personal manner, of which concerns noone but the people involved.
If it is your belief that Blood Transfusions are immoral or wrong, who is the state to say otherwise? Let alone lay ownership over a person's body and force them (child or adult ) to do something there faith or beliefs do not agree with.
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11-30-2007, 02:32 PM
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You ruined what would have been a brief yet well thought out post with your last statement. There was no reason for this, all you did was insult the majority of people in the world with your opinion.
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Well, I'm insulted by the majority of the world killing each other in the name of their personal superstition.....
You are right, I could have left that out....
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