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11-06-2007, 08:40 PM
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Theres no reason not to believe in god (and my god alone)
When people say theres no reason not to believe in god do they want people to be purely religious or only their religion? Would one feel acomplished if someone became satanist based on this idea, or do people just want to convert people to their own religion?
Someone please explain this to me because I sure as hell can't figure it out.
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11-06-2007, 09:04 PM
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Personally, I'm not effected by what other people believe, unless they choose to inject it into the conversation. Even then it is of little importance, unless they insist upon trying to convert me.
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11-06-2007, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by theyellowresistance
When people say theres no reason not to believe in god do they want people to be purely religious or only their religion? Would one feel acomplished if someone became satanist based on this idea, or do people just want to convert people to their own religion?
Someone please explain this to me because I sure as hell can't figure it out.
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I don't know if it is either and I have never heard anyone say that.
However, a mathematician named Blaise Pascal basically made an argument that it made sense to go to Church and be religious based on risk/benefit analysis. I am sure you could look it up and it would be explained a lot better. I know what he meant but can't really articulate it all that well.
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11-07-2007, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Teak
Personally, I'm not effected by what other people believe, unless they choose to inject it into the conversation. Even then it is of little importance, unless they insist upon trying to convert me.
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Teak like you when I am usually talking about a religious topic I am normaly talking to people that hold similar concepts. if someone wants to talk about their or my beliefs then we will but usually we are talking about politics or sports.
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11-07-2007, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dom1
I don't know if it is either and I have never heard anyone say that.
However, a mathematician named Blaise Pascal basically made an argument that it made sense to go to Church and be religious based on risk/benefit analysis. I am sure you could look it up and it would be explained a lot better. I know what he meant but can't really articulate it all that well.
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Iv heard this quoted many times but what I dont understand is wether or not people would be satisfied if someone became a scientologist for instance based on this idea.
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11-11-2007, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by theyellowresistance
Iv heard this quoted many times but what I dont understand is wether or not people would be satisfied if someone became a scientologist for instance based on this idea.
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Good point.....and let's do one on Santa Claus, too....and if you would do nothing at christmas what are the odds santa would deliver presents...
Based on a nothing....only a faith....seems to be anti statistical and more of a church man who has a degree in math pushing the argument...
Now, about santa.........
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11-12-2007, 01:33 AM
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Good point.....and let's do one on Santa Claus, too....and if you would do nothing at christmas what are the odds santa would deliver presents...
Based on a nothing....only a faith....seems to be anti statistical and more of a church man who has a degree in math pushing the argument...
Now, about santa.........
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Yes, that is the problem with Pascal's Wager. One must credit the existence of God with a greater than 0% probability, because even the mathematically stunted like myself know that 0 times anything equals 0.
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11-17-2007, 09:00 PM
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From my perspective I don’t think someone should try to “force” their beliefs on anyone. What I mean by that is that I hate it when people try to strong arm other’s to believe what they do. If what you believe is really true one should not be afraid because it should stand up under any and all scrutiny. Why should we try to convert? Why not just seek after truth and see where it leads?
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11-18-2007, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Politicon
From my perspective I don’t think someone should try to “force” their beliefs on anyone. What I mean by that is that I hate it when people try to strong arm other’s to believe what they do. If what you believe is really true one should not be afraid because it should stand up under any and all scrutiny. Why should we try to convert? Why not just seek after truth and see where it leads?
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Politicon, you have nailed it...and this is where modern religionists, as well as secularists, have fallen off the tracks. A problem is that the prevailing thought of the day is that truth does not exist...it is relative to many other things. So? We're not really pursuing truth so much as something else...not sure what. 
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11-18-2007, 02:24 PM
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From my perspective I don’t think someone should try to “force” their beliefs on anyone. What I mean by that is that I hate it when people try to strong arm other’s to believe what they do. If what you believe is really true one should not be afraid because it should stand up under any and all scrutiny. Why should we try to convert? Why not just seek after truth and see where it leads?
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I agree, which is why I equate indoctrinating ones offspring into religious servitude through brainwashing as a form of child abuse.
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