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Old 11-20-2007, 08:14 AM
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I would have to say that thinkers like Ibn Sina or Pascal have overcome any "brainwashing" they recieved. Their arguments are lucid and well respected. You seem to be one of the angriest liberals I have ever seen.
Maybe among the religious sects. And how am I angry? Because I don't agree with you? Believe me, I am far from angry. And you are far from knowledgeable, as well.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:14 AM
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Secularists force nothing..they promote freedom OF religion and the right to keep religion out of government so ALL can practice their unique religions....it's those with dogmas who want you to believe as they do...
1) Are they promoting their belief? 2) Expressing one's belief outwardly might be annoying but it is hardly forcing.

The point I'm making is that everyone who thinks others should believe as they do are "forcing" their beliefs. It is the nature of debate. Secularists believe they are right and think others should believe as they do. There's actually very little reason to be so defensive.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:37 AM
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1) Are they promoting their belief? 2) Expressing one's belief outwardly might be annoying but it is hardly forcing.

The point I'm making is that everyone who thinks others should believe as they do are "forcing" their beliefs. It is the nature of debate. Secularists believe they are right and think others should believe as they do. There's actually very little reason to be so defensive.
There is no forcing..read our constitution...that's what's being enforced by the "secularists" and all others who love our nation.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:54 PM
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When people say theres no reason not to believe in god do they want people to be purely religious or only their religion? Would one feel acomplished if someone became satanist based on this idea, or do people just want to convert people to their own religion?

Someone please explain this to me because I sure as hell can't figure it out.
Unless they are Universalists or a like religion, they probably are not presenting the idea of God soley for someone to believe in God but for that person to believe in their brand of God. Naturally, if someone holds something as truth they will not teach in contradictions. So no, I don't think most people would feel accomplished if a person joined another religion that contradicted their set of "truths".

The problem is there are so many people practicing truths yet no one religion, I believe, practices absolute truth. I don't think any one religion is practiced precisely as God would have us.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:02 PM
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There is no forcing..read our constitution...that's what's being enforced by the "secularists" and all others who love our nation.
*sigh* I refuse to bang my head against the wall with you until you answer somebody's question. I trust you're not saying that religionists do not love our nation as your words imply?

Be careful what you wish for when refering to the constitution. I don't follow many threads but you sound like a strict constitutionalist (good for you). Where do you stand on the 2nd amendment?
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:40 PM
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Yes, that is the problem with Pascal's Wager. One must credit the existence of God with a greater than 0% probability, because even the mathematically stunted like myself know that 0 times anything equals 0.
Ummm . . . I don't thing you understand teh concept. It is more of a rsik/benefit analysis.

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Actually he plagerized it Dom.

Whats been up man how are you.

He took the Argument of Ibn Sina I believe. An Arab. Abassid actually. It was an argument with an atheist. He said, in a nutshell,

"If you are right we tie, If I am right you lose, ALOT!"
I didn't know that, thanks for telling me.

Your summation of the argument the way I understand it is pretty dead on.

Been doing pretty well, I take it you have been busy, either that or you got fed up with this place for a while.

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Secularists force nothing..they promote freedom OF religion and the right to keep religion out of government so ALL can practice their unique religions....it's those with dogmas who want you to believe as they do...
When they aregue Freedom FROM religion they are trying to force something . . . and that is often the case.

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Actually, it's a false statement of illogical patterns which comes from brainwashing performed from people at a young age...
Wow, you are incredibly stupid. It is excellent logic from excellent logicians. If you don't understand it just ask and it will be explained better. Just because you aren't smart enough to grasp the premise, it doesn't mean it is illogical, it just means you aren't smart enough to get what they are saying.

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I would have to say that thinkers like Ibn Sina or Pascal have overcome any "brainwashing" they recieved. Their arguments are lucid and well respected. You seem to be one of the angriest liberals I have ever seen.
I know this is the first time I hvae ever heard of Pascal being referred to as illogical.

She is not only angry, but kind of stupid as well.

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Maybe among the religious sects. And how am I angry? Because I don't agree with you? Believe me, I am far from angry. And you are far from knowledgeable, as well.
Why don't you explain how Pascal's argument is illogical? Since you are so knowledgeable this should present no problem. A hint though, try to understand what the argument actually is before you attempt to say that a mathematical genius is presenting an illogical argument.
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:54 PM
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I didn't know that, thanks for telling me.

Your summation of the argument the way I understand it is pretty dead on.

Been doing pretty well, I take it you have been busy, either that or you got fed up with this place for a while.
Starting up at a new school. I have just been soaking it all up.

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I know this is the first time I hvae ever heard of Pascal being referred to as illogical.

She is not only angry, but kind of stupid as well.
She is opinionated. That is fair. Politics today can make people feel strongly. Just to stir up some dirt though, I do believe the carpenter has some sharper tools in his closet though.
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:15 PM
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Maybe among the religious sects. And how am I angry? Because I don't agree with you? Believe me, I am far from angry. And you are far from knowledgeable, as well.
Boy Cookie you really have foot in mouth disease sometimes.

You have no clue about Bark & you've passed some pretty strong judgments on some VERY scant information.

Some humility & observation might do you some good.

I may pull up an old thread about a year or so ago that introduced this young mans mind. It WILL humble you.

Being righteously judgmental, especially considering he was in NO Way being antagonistic towards you is often times the path to complete banality & public stupidity....be careful my friend you are slipping down that path.
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Old 11-21-2007, 02:13 PM
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Boy Cookie you really have foot in mouth disease sometimes.

You have no clue about Bark & you've passed some pretty strong judgments on some VERY scant information.

Some humility & observation might do you some good.

I may pull up an old thread about a year or so ago that introduced this young mans mind. It WILL humble you.

Being righteously judgmental, especially considering he was in NO Way being antagonistic towards you is often times the path to complete banality & public stupidity....be careful my friend you are slipping down that path.
I don't think it will come anywhere close to humbling her. She has far left views and anyone not adhering to her views are ignorant. For her to call Blaise Pascal's argument illogical surely shows that to be the case. If she thinks Pascal is illogical, then there isn't anything on this forum that could ever humble her.
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Old 11-24-2007, 12:41 AM
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Did Cookie once again leave rather than actually defend herself? That bitch is all talk.
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