Theres no reason not to believe in god (and my god alone)

BARK · #21 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:44 AM

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From my perspective I don’t think someone should try to “force” their beliefs on anyone. What I mean by that is that I hate it when people try to strong arm other’s to believe what they do. If what you believe is really true one should not be afraid because it should stand up under any and all scrutiny. Why should we try to convert? Why not just seek after truth and see where it leads?

very well said.

BARK · #22 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:45 AM

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Politicon, you have nailed it...and this is where modern religionists, as well as secularists, have fallen off the tracks. A problem is that the prevailing thought of the day is that truth does not exist...it is relative to many other things. So? We're not really pursuing truth so much as something else...not sure what.

I think religion persues hope. The hope that there is a bigger reason to living then work eat sleep.

BARK · #23 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:47 AM

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I agree, which is why I equate indoctrinating ones offspring into religious servitude through brainwashing as a form of child abuse.

Growing up I was indoctrinated by both the Mosque and the Church. I think it worked out well for me. I simply don't care what you are. I don't care what I am.

BARK · #24 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:49 AM

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What do you mean by that? Are you saying that raising any child up following one’s personal religion is wrong? Because if you are I would have to strongly disagree. We teach our children how to read, write, do math, cook, ECT. Why should we not teach them what we have found to be philosophically and religiously true? There are a lot of wrong ideas out there and I don’t have a problem with teaching how those are wrong and how others are right. One should love their kids to the point where they want to help them avoid believing in and meddling in those things. If they are taught the wrong thing it all should fall apart eventually anyway as long as they seek truth.

Well said. I think that the true purpose of Church and Mosque and Synagogue is to help instill a sense of right and wrong. I think that before a child is old enough to reason anything that teaches good morals is safe. As an adult they can reevaluate what they know, but putting children in a place of fellowship, I believe, is very healthy for them.

BARK · #25 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 03:50 AM

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I don't understand why some people are so concerned about other's
religions. For instance, atheist don't believe in God so why would they
be concerned about someone believing in something they don't think
exist? That would be like being concerned that someone was going to
shoot you with a gun when you believed there was no such thing as a
gun. We shoud be concerned when someone, religious or otherwise,
does something to harm others. And, the criminal should be dealt with
for the criminal action, not for his/her motivation.

EXCELLENT POST!!!

Cookie Parker · #26 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Fatts

Politicon, you have nailed it...and this is where modern religionists, as well as secularists, have fallen off the tracks. A problem is that the prevailing thought of the day is that truth does not exist...it is relative to many other things. So? We're not really pursuing truth so much as something else...not sure what.

Secularists force nothing..they promote freedom OF religion and the right to keep religion out of government so ALL can practice their unique religions....it's those with dogmas who want you to believe as they do...

Cookie Parker · #27 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by lynnspins

I don't understand why some people are so concerned about other's
religions. For instance, atheist don't believe in God so why would they
be concerned about someone believing in something they don't think
exist? That would be like being concerned that someone was going to
shoot you with a gun when you believed there was no such thing as a
gun. We shoud be concerned when someone, religious or otherwise,
does something to harm others. And, the criminal should be dealt with
for the criminal action, not for his/her motivation.

I doubt they could give a rat's ass what anyone religion believes UNTIL they try to force the beliefs into the government..THEN it becomes EVERYONE'S concern..and for the last 30 years, that's what happened in this nation....to say otherwise, it to be one of those forcing..

Cookie Parker · #28 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:42 AM

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I've always thought of God as being the accurate count and meaning of all things tangible and energized, which is the Truth, which is God..

So in seeking the Truth, you are also seeking the results of God knowledge ,which to me is the Icing on the Cake of Life.. The Truth brings a certain Comfort even if unpleasant.

Myself I am a faulty Human still in Search of the full Truth.. some things I know to be certain, but others I can only surmise about, which has the effect of keeping me Humble to the point of Knowing I DON"T Know enough to Guide Others, So I tend to keep my silence on Religion or the lack thereof..

Some people, Both Athiests and Religious want Company in Numbers to Solidify their "Truth" that they have or haven't found..

Me, I tend to be content with My Peace with what I Concieve God to be..

And that's your right to believe...just don't use that "logic" to push unscientific lessons on religion into public education, nor anything else such as your interpretations of the anonymous deity's "morals" into my laws.

Cookie Parker · #29 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:44 AM

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Actually he plagerized it Dom.

Whats been up man how are you.

He took the Argument of Ibn Sina I believe. An Arab. Abassid actually. It was an argument with an atheist. He said, in a nutshell,

"If you are right we tie, If I am right you lose, ALOT!"

Actually, it's a false statement of illogical patterns which comes from brainwashing performed from people at a young age...

BARK · #30 (**permalink**) 11-20-2007, 04:47 AM

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Actually, it's a false statement of illogical patterns which comes from brainwashing performed from people at a young age...

I would have to say that thinkers like Ibn Sina or Pascal have overcome any "brainwashing" they recieved. Their arguments are lucid and well respected. You seem to be one of the angriest liberals I have ever seen.