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Old 11-18-2007, 05:00 PM
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I agree, which is why I equate indoctrinating ones offspring into religious servitude through brainwashing as a form of child abuse.
What do you mean by that? Are you saying that raising any child up following one’s personal religion is wrong? Because if you are I would have to strongly disagree. We teach our children how to read, write, do math, cook, ECT. Why should we not teach them what we have found to be philosophically and religiously true? There are a lot of wrong ideas out there and I don’t have a problem with teaching how those are wrong and how others are right. One should love their kids to the point where they want to help them avoid believing in and meddling in those things. If they are taught the wrong thing it all should fall apart eventually anyway as long as they seek truth.
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Old 11-18-2007, 06:38 PM
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I don't understand why some people are so concerned about other's
religions. For instance, atheist don't believe in God so why would they
be concerned about someone believing in something they don't think
exist? That would be like being concerned that someone was going to
shoot you with a gun when you believed there was no such thing as a
gun. We shoud be concerned when someone, religious or otherwise,
does something to harm others. And, the criminal should be dealt with
for the criminal action, not for his/her motivation.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:50 AM
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I've always thought of God as being the accurate count and meaning of all things tangible and energized, which is the Truth, which is God..

So in seeking the Truth, you are also seeking the results of God knowledge ,which to me is the Icing on the Cake of Life.. The Truth brings a certain Comfort even if unpleasant.

Myself I am a faulty Human still in Search of the full Truth.. some things I know to be certain, but others I can only surmise about, which has the effect of keeping me Humble to the point of Knowing I DON"T Know enough to Guide Others, So I tend to keep my silence on Religion or the lack thereof..

Some people, Both Athiests and Religious want Company in Numbers to Solidify their "Truth" that they have or haven't found..

Me, I tend to be content with My Peace with what I Concieve God to be..
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Old 11-19-2007, 10:42 PM
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What do you mean by that? Are you saying that raising any child up following one’s personal religion is wrong? Because if you are I would have to strongly disagree. We teach our children how to read, write, do math, cook, ECT. Why should we not teach them what we have found to be philosophically and religiously true? There are a lot of wrong ideas out there and I don’t have a problem with teaching how those are wrong and how others are right. One should love their kids to the point where they want to help them avoid believing in and meddling in those things. If they are taught the wrong thing it all should fall apart eventually anyway as long as they seek truth.
Children should be taught Theological and philisophical ideas and not force-fed any one religion. They should be allowed to determine their own spiritual path and not brainwashed into becoming a follower of any one faith.

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Children should be taught Theological and philisophical ideas and not force-fed any one religion. They should be allowed to determine their own spiritual path and not brainwashed into becoming a follower of any one faith.
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:51 PM
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One can be taught the beliefs of various religions and spiritual philosophies without indoctrination. The same holds true for political and social philosophies.
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One can be taught the beliefs of various religions and spiritual philosophies without indoctrination. The same holds true for political and social philosophies.
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In 1963 the Beatles appeared on the Ed Sullivan show. They combined rock and mystical music, long hair, and the worship of Hinduism. The guru who was sought after by the Beatles was Maharishi Mahesh (TM) Yogi. Drugs were suggested in many of their songs: "Yellow Submarine" (a "submarine" is a "downer"), "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" (the initials of the main words are LSD), "Hey Jude" (a song about the drug known as methadrine), "Stawberry Fields" (where opium is grown to avoid detection) and "Norwegian Wood" (a British term for marijuana). John Lenon's song "Imagine" attacked religion ("Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try, No hell below us, Above us only sky"), espoused a do you own thing philosophy ("Imagine all the people, Living for today"), attacked nationalism ("Imagine there's no countries"), attacked religion ("It is isn't hard to do, Nothing to kill or die for and no religion too"), called for the abolition of private property ("Imagine no possessions"), supported a new international order ("I wonder if you can, No need for greed or hunger, A brotherhood of man, Imagine all the people, Sharing all the world") and advocated a one-world government ("You may say I'm a dreamer, But I'm not the only one, I hope someday you'll join us, and the world will be as one.") Lennon called for abolition of private property and then left his Japanese-born widow a $250 million estate.

In 1963 Harold Asher wrote Experiments in Seeing -- a story of his search for mystical experience through LSD. Initially LSD was classified as a "new" drug with few restrictions on its experimental use. In 1963 it was reclassified as an "investigational new drug" and made available only to carefully selected investigators. In 1963 Timothy O'Leary founded the International Federation for Internal Freedom (IFIF) to encourage research on psychedelic substances. The institute, however, died for lack of outside interest or support. In the Good Friday Study W.H. Clark -- a Leary follower, found that subjects given psilocybin before attending religious services were more likely to have a life-changing or mystical experience. In March 1963 Leary and Alpert began recruiting for the IFIF. They attracted the "young, the idealistic, the eccentric, and the rebellious . . ." They lectured in Los Angeles to promote the International Federation for Internal Freedom. Leary left without notifying univesity authorities and went to Mexico to arrange the lease of a hotel in Zihuatanejo for use as an IFIF summer colony.

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Old 11-20-2007, 12:07 AM
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I may be a little slow here, but what does all that have to do with brainwashing ones' offspring into a single-minded religious, political or social belief.
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I don't know if it is either and I have never heard anyone say that.

However, a mathematician named Blaise Pascal basically made an argument that it made sense to go to Church and be religious based on risk/benefit analysis. I am sure you could look it up and it would be explained a lot better. I know what he meant but can't really articulate it all that well.
Actually he plagerized it Dom.

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He took the Argument of Ibn Sina I believe. An Arab. Abassid actually. It was an argument with an atheist. He said, in a nutshell,

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Iv heard this quoted many times but what I dont understand is wether or not people would be satisfied if someone became a scientologist for instance based on this idea.
Some religions have reward systems for conversion. Missionary activities in the Christians, conversion in the Muslims. It seems to me that it may be based on the idea of Armageddon. They are trying to raise an army of good to fight for in the final war. It is basically like Army recruiters. There are other things as well, but this is a good starting point for this argument.
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