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Old 10-02-2007, 12:11 PM
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Uhm, is a little tune probably picked out to fill a lack of variety in jingle jangle tunes in the Fischer Price catalog are inherintly offensive?

Get a life.

Its a little toy for a baby. Fischer Price makes Christmas toys for children, lets boycott them cause its obviously a ploy to convert the masses to Evil Christianty...


Pick your battles. this isnt even something to start a battle over.
A lack of jingle jangle tunes, really.

So you don't have a problem with Christian songs?
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:14 PM
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You guys do realize that he was not serious about this. I could be wrong, but I suspect it was just a backhanded slap at all those who bitch about things like this by making it look even more ludicrous.
We have a winner. I was hoping my avatar wouldn't give the joke away.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:22 PM
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I have a five year old son and this is the approach I've taken with religion. I personally, if forced to choose a religion it would probably be Buddhism, but for now agnostic is my description of choice.

What I've done when questions are asked, I don't shy away from or tell him my own personal beliefs, rather yet I have exposed him to all religions that he has asked about. My parents have don't the Baptist thing, I have a friend Amy that has done the Catholic thing (which of all the religions he the most questions but that follows because they have the best props!), when I was in Detroit I was invited into the home of (now this is before the accident) the sales rep Karen with whom I was working. With her being a Muslim I asked if my son and I could join them so we went to mosque and we both found it fascinating that certain times of the day in parts of the city a siren would go off and people would stop to pray. He hadn't seen anything like that before because it was so organized outside of the one day rituals he had seen with Sunday morning Christianity. There is actually a large Buddhist temple a few hours north of here which we both enjoyed and my Jewish friend Stevo (while visiting) took us to his synagogue up near Chicago.

After all of this he just wants to play Xbox 360 (so do I MADDEN 08 RULES), at that I have told him he can believe what ever he wants and I'll support it. So far he has really said too much about it... if he does go it usually with grandma and I feel that is more grandma wanting to him rather than him wanting to go to church. She knows I will not allow it to be forced onto him like which it was with me in my childhood. It's his choice but I wanted him to know that there are other faiths outside of Christianity and if he didn't want to believe in any of them, then that was ok too.

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Respectfuly is there not anything in your moral makeup that you can not find that is atributed from your religious upbringing. I think you will find the small base of your morals of good is. I was raised baptist my wife catholic and we find both to be well we don't go to church as adults will our daughter when she gets older ya because it helps in the aspect of teaching them to be kind to others be giving honest a lot of things we as parents try to teach and church helps drive it home ya they use things like or the devils going to get you but it works and that is all that matters and it don't scare them. Hell we as parents use some of the same tactics don't get out of bed at night the boogy man will get you. I see everything you do when in fact you walk out in the back yard and peek in there bedroom window to see if there doing what you told them not to. All to achieve one purpose teach them to be decent , kind, responsable wether you are with them or not wether it is family members or any other human being. And you dred the day that comes in all childrens life and that is they figure out it was all a bluff but hopefully by that time it has instilled the basic morals in them for life and it's ok to tell them ya your right but it worked and you laugh about it. No disresect but at five is not your job to guide wether they want to do it or not because who knows better if they are smart enough at five to make there own decisions then hell why do they need us to teach them and guide them? My question is do you ask him and let him decide in everything if not then why not I mean if he is old enough to do so with regards to church then why not. What if he decides he does not want his bedtime to be 7pm you allow him to go to bed when he wants. Decide what he eats for super because he rather have ice cream instead of meatloaf. You seem to be a decent guy moraly and good or bad and wether you liked it or not beleave or not the fact is your church days as a child along with other things in part made you the person you are today did it not. I have had a lot of things in my child hood I hated but would I change it No not when I look at it because it made me the person I am today each part good or bad played a roll in who and what I am.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:29 PM
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A lack of jingle jangle tunes, really.

So you don't have a problem with Christian songs?
Why should he I don't like rap but my wifes cousin blares it when I go to his shop and work on his tractors and stuff for him I don't say shit because well it aint killing me is it. He ask me if I like it jokingly because he knows I like country I tell him hell know I don't like it so he ask me if I would like him to change it I say no don't do that because it's your thing go for it. Tolerance folks you act like it's going to create a bunch of little Nazi's pull your heads out there are real issues out there.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:33 PM
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Are you bringing up this crap again or are you trying to say what child is this is a pagan song? If you are, your wrong. If not, your way off topic, and wrong...
no, that's not what i'm saying. read it again. it's a christian song, but what the writers of the song weren't aware of is that there was NO actual "christ" child. just a rising sun in the low winter sky going from waning to waxing, while the "3 kings" of orions belt align with and follow sirius so as to pay "homage".

when the sun lowers in the winter sky, it gets to its lowest point (waning); and after 3 days begins to rise again (waxing). this refers to the ancient pagan ritual of the "sun god" dieing, and resurrecting after 3 days. the myth of jesus was the LATEST in a long string of "gods" who were assigned these attributes.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:40 PM
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no, that's not what i'm saying. read it again. it's a christian song, but what the writers of the song weren't aware of is that there was NO actual "christ" child. just a rising sun in the low winter sky going from waning to waxing, while the "3 kings" of orions belt align with and follow sirius so as to pay "homage".

when the sun lowers in the winter sky, it gets to its lowest point (waning); and after 3 days begins to rise again (waxing). this refers to the ancient pagan ritual of the "sun god" dieing, and resurrecting after 3 days. the myth of jesus was the LATEST in a long string of "gods" who were assigned these attributes.
But in absolute truth no one can say for sure wether god exist or not because no one knows that for a fact.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:44 PM
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no, that's not what i'm saying. read it again. it's a christian song, but what the writers of the song weren't aware of is that there was NO actual "christ" child. just a rising sun in the low winter sky going from waning to waxing, while the "3 kings" of orions belt align with and follow sirius so as to pay "homage".

when the sun lowers in the winter sky, it gets to its lowest point (waning); and after 3 days begins to rise again (waxing). this refers to the ancient pagan ritual of the "sun god" dieing, and resurrecting after 3 days. the myth of jesus was the LATEST in a long string of "gods" who were assigned these attributes.
But you fail to address the fact that because some "false" God's were in fact worshiped does not mean that when the real one came along that he was not who he said that the was. As all men have the same lineage of heritage, dating back to the original Adam, as proven by DNA samples....and All religions have their base "grounded" in the truth of such. Because some that were part of the original chose to worship in a false manner and pay their respects to graven images, does not make the "one" true messiah that met all the "predicated" criteria for being the real deal was not actually "HE"...the great I AM....as the roots of the only "true" faith can be traced back to the beginning of mankind and the coming of a predicted messiah was indeed foretold from such as the original history. So basically what you are "professing" is...that just because there might happen to be 100 different ideologies that gained their faith from the same roots that "all" must be wrong.....the truth is it only takes one to be correct and the "TRUTH".....and the only one that can be backed by scriptual doctrine dated from the beginning is the one and only "CHRIST". BD

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Old 10-02-2007, 12:50 PM
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But in absolute truth no one can say for sure wether god exist or not because no one knows that for a fact.
whereas the only thing that CAN be said for certain is that many of the worlds religions rely upon astrology, and the same ancient tales to reinforce their faiths. christianity being the most recent, of course.
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Old 10-02-2007, 01:17 PM
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As all men have the same lineage of heritage, dating back to the original Adam, as proven by DNA samples.
and which dna samples would those be? please don't say mitochondrial dna, because the proponents of that themselves say it originated well over 100,000 years ago; whereas the myth of "adam & eve" only goes back maybe 10,000 years, at best.

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and All religions have their base "grounded" in the truth of such.
so when was the bible story first transcribed? clue: long after many of the older, more ancient religions. the bible story borrows a host of ancient astrological allegories; but they weren't the first to do so.

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Because some that were part of the original chose to worship in a false manner and pay their respects to graven images
such as crosses? btw, the "christian" cross owes its origins to the zodiac cross, and has its origins in the aforementioned waning/waxing sun (called the "southern cross", or "crux"). look at some of the early catholic church crosses. why do you think they all have that strange circle around it's mid-point? THAT is the zodiac cross. jesus was a representation of the sun, who travelled around with his 12 "disciples" (the 12 constellations).

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does not make the "one" true messiah that met all the "predicated" criteria for being the real deal was not actually "HE".
see above.

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the great I AM....as the roots of the only "true" faith can be traced back to the beginning of mankind and the coming of a predicted messiah was indeed foretold from such as the original history.
the stories of joseph in the old testament, and jesus in the new testament were the same ancient allegory told by different story tellers.

joseph had 12 brothers
jesus had 12 disciples

joseph began to teach others at the age of 12.
so did jesus.

josephs brother judah suggests they sell joseph for silver pieces.
jesus' disciple judas sells jesus for silver pieces.

joseph began his lifes work at the age of 30.
so did jesus.

and so on, and so forth.

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So basically what you are "professing" is...that just because there might happen to be 100 different ideologies that gained their faith from the same roots that "all" must be wrong.....the truth is it only takes one to be correct and the "TRUTH".....and the only one that can be backed by scriptual doctrine dated from the beginning is the one and only "CHRIST". BD
incorrect. "christ" was the latest in a long line of religions borrowing ancient astrological allegories. before religion even existed, all man knew was that the sun was the giver of life. from there they studied the stars, and were able to determine predictable events and ages. from there many ancient tales were woven in to localized legends, each borrowing from the original astrological tale.
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and which dna samples would those be? please don't say mitochondrial dna, because the proponents of that themselves say it originated well over 100,000 years ago; whereas the myth of "adam & eve" only goes back maybe 10,000 years, at best.



so when was the bible story first transcribed? clue: long after many of the older, more ancient religions. the bible story borrows a host of ancient astrological allegories; but they weren't the first to do so.



such as crosses? btw, the "christian" cross owes its origins to the zodiac cross, and has its origins in the aforementioned waning/waxing sun (called the "southern cross", or "crux"). look at some of the early catholic church crosses. why do you think they all have that strange circle around it's mid-point? jesus was a representation of the sun, who travelled around with his 12 "disciples" (the 12 constellations).



see above.



the stories of joseph in the old testament, and jesus in the new testament were the same ancient allegory told by different story tellers.

joseph had 12 brothers
jesus had 12 disciples

joseph began to teach others at the age of 12.
so did jesus.

josephs brother judah suggests they sell joseph for silver pieces.
jesus' disciple judas sells jesus for silver pieces.

joseph began his lifes work at the age of 30.
so did jesus.

and so on, and so forth.



incorrect. "christ" was the latest in a long line of religions borrowing ancient astrological allegories. before religion even existed, all man knew was that the sun was the giver of life. from there they studied the stars, and were able to determine predictable events and ages. from there many ancient tales were woven in to localized legends, each borrowing from the original astrological tale.
Again you are quoting facts not in evidence.....we can only trace our modern history back 5000 years...and as such, any guessing as to dating anything is actually just that, a guess....even with the so called radiometric carbon dating...which can only be calibrated to a length of our proven history conformation. You live and accept to live in world of "theory" that has no actual facts to back up anything that you profess as actual truth...the difference between I and some idiot that you perceive that you are in communication with is that I know the "facts" of both science and history....and anything dated past the 5000 years range is mere "speculation" grounded in theory only with no factual base of conformation nor offering any such proof thereof. Its a simple statement....if you do not wish to believe and accept faith....please do not, but your projections of disclaiming and proving that faith is based in lies.....is just pure "bullshit", and I simply give it the attention that it deserves. BD

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