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09-26-2007, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CrankyYankee
Agnosticism is different, in that it is not a belief or refutation of belief.
It is a state of skepticism, and for some, more like a puzzle to think about...
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I'll speak just for myself on this topic. Personally, I'd LOVE to be able to know for certain if there truly is an AfterLife. But as of right now, I don't.
I'd say that's where the term "Faith" comes in...  Maybe someday that can change. In the mean time, unless a persons "Faith" calls for my personal destruction or mandatory conversion like one Faith in particular,,,I say it's none of my business what Folks believe.
Take care all.
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09-26-2007, 06:54 PM
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I dont know why people seem to think christians are full of hatred. Like we wish to march on some crusade to conquer the heathen lands. Where is your generalizations from?
I personaly beleive that religion is a very deep and personal thing. I have neither the talent nor inclination to convince you over a internet forum to beleive in my faith.
I hold your opinion as just that. You are free to beleive in what you will. As my constitution guarantees, and as I beleive every man woman and child has the right to do throughout the world.
I do not hate homosexuals, muslims, jews, whomever.
I beleive they beleive wrongly, so what? So do aetheists, agnostics, and everyone else under the sun. Where all marginalized this way. Atheism is a religion in itself. They hate christians, they hate muslims, they hate jews, hindus, buddhists, Zorastrians, shintoists and countless others who believe in something greater.
I accuse atheists of hate. I feel nothing but love for the fellow human being. Except for scientologists, who I dont beleive are human anymore. 
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Lets see, the pope said that there is no faith other than catholisism. Most christian religions speack against homosexuality which has been proven to happen in the womb and physically isnt a choice. I have heard a number of christians say that all Muslims are terrorists.
I'm sorry if your not like this, but many many christians are.
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09-26-2007, 09:20 PM
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Catholics are not followers of the bible.
Purgatory
Indulgences
Veneration of Marry
Veneration of the "saints"
baptism of infants
veneration of Images and Idols of Religous Characters.
Speaking against homosexual activity isnt hatred. Its a beleif. Homosexuality is a sin. To speak out against sin is the backbone of the faith.
I fail to see how Christianity equates to hatred. Disliking a practice or lifestyle doesnt mean we or I or any christian hates homosexuals. Love the sinner, and hate his sins.
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09-26-2007, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by satv365
Catholics are not followers of the bible.
Purgatory
Indulgences
Veneration of Marry
Veneration of the "saints"
baptism of infants
veneration of Images and Idols of Religous Characters.
Speaking against homosexual activity isnt hatred. Its a beleif. Homosexuality is a sin. To speak out against sin is the backbone of the faith.
I fail to see how Christianity equates to hatred. Disliking a practice or lifestyle doesnt mean we or I or any christian hates homosexuals. Love the sinner, and hate his sins.
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You realize of course that homosexuality physically can't be a choice. Otherwise every guy would be aroused by men. I think you understand what I'm getting at here.
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09-27-2007, 04:19 AM
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No, you try to paint christians as zealous crusaders off to throw the heathens into the torture rooms to either repent or die painfully.
I guess I can not explain it to make you feel my point, but here goes another try.
When I see or get to know a homosexual, I dont refer to them as gay guy number 1 and gay guy number 2. I see them as whome they are, people. Who happen to induldge in a lifestyle I do not think is correct. I may not know if homosexuality is learned or your born with, you cant convince me with reports or new articles, sorry I dig into things myself to form and opinon.
The point is, I judge people for what they contribute to society, not what they do in there own homes, or consentualy with other people. I can explain my beleifs to them, im not going to force feed it to them. I beleive a person can come to that decision through God's will. I truley beleive that.
Im not a cookie cutter christian either. I have my sincere doubts about the relevancy of the Trinity, the often accepted and propagated nature of Christ, and am even reading deeper into the claims of Homosexuality not being a sin.
All in all aside. I base my beleifs on scriptural study and not what some gold chain wearing preacher yells on a podium every sunday.
But as I said, love the sinner hate the sin.
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09-27-2007, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by satv365
No, you try to paint christians as zealous crusaders off to throw the heathens into the torture rooms to either repent or die painfully.
I guess I can not explain it to make you feel my point, but here goes another try.
When I see or get to know a homosexual, I dont refer to them as gay guy number 1 and gay guy number 2. I see them as whome they are, people. Who happen to induldge in a lifestyle I do not think is correct. I may not know if homosexuality is learned or your born with, you cant convince me with reports or new articles, sorry I dig into things myself to form and opinon.
The point is, I judge people for what they contribute to society, not what they do in there own homes, or consentualy with other people. I can explain my beleifs to them, im not going to force feed it to them. I beleive a person can come to that decision through God's will. I truley beleive that.
Im not a cookie cutter christian either. I have my sincere doubts about the relevancy of the Trinity, the often accepted and propagated nature of Christ, and am even reading deeper into the claims of Homosexuality not being a sin.
All in all aside. I base my beleifs on scriptural study and not what some gold chain wearing preacher yells on a podium every sunday.
But as I said, love the sinner hate the sin.
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Fine have your beliefs, but the fact is homosexuality is no more a choice than being a man or a woman. Its apparent I wasnt clear enough last time. Men can't have sex with other men unless they are gay. I couldnt get an erection to gay porn if I tried. It is physically impossible for 2 men to have sex if they aren't either gay or are very talented at visualizing women.
I'm glad you base your beliefs on the unorganized fasits of religion however. I think there should be more people like that but gay hatred is well hatred.
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09-27-2007, 05:06 PM
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First, it's spelled Buddhists. Second, If your entire existence is centered around someone else filling your "Begger Bowl",,, while you contemplate the Universe, and where your next meal is coming from, it's best to have a more subservient attitude.
I'm Agnostic. 
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Hello realist, I've always wanted to ask a 'agnostic' something. Do you believe in the paranormal or the whole UFO phenomenal? Can you explain away to yourselves hauntings, poltergeist recorded activity and the such?
If you believe in those un-seen or rather, I should say, phenomenals then is it really a far reach for you to believe in a supernatural God force? Just sincerly wondering.
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09-27-2007, 07:22 PM
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Hello realist, I've always wanted to ask a 'agnostic' something. Do you believe in the paranormal or the whole UFO phenomenal? Can you explain away to yourselves hauntings, poltergeist recorded activity and the such?
If you believe in those un-seen or rather, I should say, phenomenals then is it really a far reach for you to believe in a supernatural God force? Just sincerly wondering.
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First, do I believe in Ghosts...I've never seen one. But that doesn't mean there isn't any. U.F.O.'s,,,? Logically, one would think there's more than one Planet in the known Universe with Life on it,,,but I can't prove or disprove it.
I'd like to think so.  Is there a God? I've no idea. But if we really are made in His/Her Image, I'd have to say He/She has one twisted sense of Humor. I'd hope for something much better than the vast majority of fellow Humans I've met...
Myself included.
Take care.
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09-27-2007, 07:29 PM
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Fine have your beliefs, but the fact is homosexuality is no more a choice than being a man or a woman.
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There is absolutely no PROOF of that claim. There are studies and such on both sides of that issue. For you to claim that it is absolutely true is disengenuous at best and downright lying at worst. There are a certain number of things that can not be proved beyond a doubt and that is one of them.
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09-27-2007, 07:45 PM
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There is absolutely no PROOF of that claim. There are studies and such on both sides of that issue. For you to claim that it is absolutely true is disengenuous at best and downright lying at worst. There are a certain number of things that can not be proved beyond a doubt and that is one of them.
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So by the logic that claims it is a CHOICE, that would mean YOU could become a homosexual, and in fact, it is a daily struggle for you not to do so, since the claim is that those who have made that choice, are weak.
Good luck in your daily quest to resist the temptation to engage in anal sex with your buddies
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