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09-18-2007, 09:19 AM
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The bible is a collection of things that were floating around out there.
Yellow is correct in stating that it has been heavily censored over the centuries. Whole books were left out as the religious heavies of their day excerted influence to make their personal belief into "truth."
The bible does command adherence to the commandments, etc.
So there is a level of population control inherent in it.
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A collection of things floating around out there? That may well be true, but what I am asking for is the evidence of heavy censorship. How else would we know it was changed?
As to control...how does aherence to the commandments differ from adherence to the laws of society? It would seem that both would indicate a level of population control? Yes? No?
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09-18-2007, 09:23 AM
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A collection of things floating around out there? That may well be true, but what I am asking for is the evidence of heavy censorship. How else would we know it was changed?
As to control...how does aherence to the commandments differ from adherence to the laws of society? It would seem that both would indicate a level of population control? Yes? No?
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It's well known that entire books were taken out at different times.
Correct. Laws of society are to accomplish the same thing, control.
It also establishes the boundary of what is acceptable behaviour.
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09-18-2007, 09:38 AM
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It's well known that entire books were taken out at different times...
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By whom, such as, and when? 
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09-18-2007, 09:42 AM
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By whom, such as, and when? 
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http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-en...tory/#timeline
Here's a linkl that is fairly succinct. History.com also has a history of the bible.
Notice on the first link the entry for early 1600's (King James Version)
1609 AD: The Douay Old Testament is added to the Rheims New Testament (of 1582) Making the First Complete English Catholic Bible; Translated from the Latin Vulgate (80 Books).
1611 AD: The King James Bible Printed; Originally with All 80 Books. The Apocrypha was Officially Removed in 1885 Leaving Only 66 Books.
It is common knowledge Skinny. That is why King James is called a "version"
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09-18-2007, 09:49 AM
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http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-en...tory/#timeline
Here's a linkl that is fairly succinct. History.com also has a history of the bible.
Notice on the first link the entry for early 1600's (King James Version)
1609 AD: The Douay Old Testament is added to the Rheims New Testament (of 1582) Making the First Complete English Catholic Bible; Translated from the Latin Vulgate (80 Books).
1611 AD: The King James Bible Printed; Originally with All 80 Books. The Apocrypha was Officially Removed in 1885 Leaving Only 66 Books.
It is common knowledge Skinny. That is why King James is called a "version"
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It is indeed succinct. Thanks for providing it. However, we are talking about two different things. The link deals with translations. We are talking about censorship, editing, etc. Thanks anyway. 
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09-18-2007, 09:52 AM
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It is indeed succinct. Thanks for providing it. However, we are talking about two different things. The link deals with translations. We are talking about censorship, editing, etc. Thanks anyway. 
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Note the number of books included in the different versions on the timeline I provided. Yes, they are talking translation, but it went from around 80 to around 60 books. Bingo! Nailed it.
Your welcome.
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09-18-2007, 09:56 AM
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Note the number of books included in the different versions on the timeline I provided. Yes, they are talking translation, but it went from around 80 to around 60 books. Bingo! Nailed it.
Your welcome.
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I would encourage you to dig even deeper.
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09-18-2007, 07:24 PM
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I don't think the evidence supports that contention. You stated that "much of the bible was edited out or changed...". I am curious as to which parts...?
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Mostly the old testament though many books from the new testament were also removed. These include the life of adam and eve and the childhood of christ.
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09-18-2007, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Skinny Fatts
A collection of things floating around out there? That may well be true, but what I am asking for is the evidence of heavy censorship. How else would we know it was changed?
As to control...how does aherence to the commandments differ from adherence to the laws of society? It would seem that both would indicate a level of population control? Yes? No?
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Sorry I wasnt referring to the commandments. I was reffering to homosexuality, abortion, birth control, all of those personal decisions as well as the centuries of bible quoting used to kill people.
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09-18-2007, 08:35 PM
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I would encourage you to dig even deeper.
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For what? I just did a quick search to assure you that the bible has gone through many transformations, to provide a link. There were others...
I was raised in a Christian household, and have read much of the current Bible, King James version. In later years I rejected Christianity, and have my personal views that most would probably find odd.
I took a lot of theology classes as electives in college, mostly because I'm intrigued by it....
However, Yellow's assertion that the Bible has been changed through the years is correct.
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