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A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.
Franklin D. Roosevelt, radio address, Oct. 26, 1939

"Don't let any man into your cab, your home, or your heart, unless he's a friend of labor." Jimmy Hoffa

'When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross'
- Sinclair Lewis 1935

Them fellers in prison get it real quick too, right before they get fried. But hey, why take a chance at the last minute.

"There is no God you silly ass Fundys, but there IS, a map of the sound waves of the big bang."

>>>I dunno. I probably saw the same episode of "The Universe" you did last night, and from what I understand, the scientists have no idea how the "cosmic egg" started or what happened during and before the big bang.

I have a prophecy.....I make prophesy to the "fact", that if there is one man still walking on this earth, that the word of God will still be present here on earth long after little Ms. Atheist and her cohorts are long dead and buried, with all their "none belief" being made to non-effect the existence of this word that has lasted for well over 2000 years. In fact I believe that God does not believe in them, and by their own logic.....they can not possibly exist. And it will be as if they never did.....in relation as what "effect" they had upon the word of God. BD

The problem is that most of these atheists want everyone to be like them. I remember when prayer was allowed in school and then an atheist sued the courts to have it removed, so their rights were saved but all Christians lost their rights.

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Go Sooners

One is a self disproving myth based on superstition and the inability of some to comprehend anything without the use of the crutch of the belief of a patriarchal tyrant who absolves them of any proactive thought.

And the other is a description of a scientifically, critically examined event supported by years of data and sound equations, not to mention a map of it’s sound waves.

So, could the 'Biggbang" be the work of God ?

Nope !

Why ?

Bbecause the very text which the according to the faithful, (Stay with me on this) is the undeniable, unchanging word of GOD, describes a different sequence of events.

"In the beginning God[2] created the heavens and the earth.[3] The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters." God makes the first day and night; the "firmament" separating "the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament;" dry land and seas and plants and trees which grew fruit with seed; the sun, moon and stars in the firmament give light upon the earth; creates air-breathing sea creatures and birds; and on the sixth day, makes "the beasts of the earth according to their kinds." "Then God said, Let us make man in our image ... in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."[4] On the seventh day God rests from the task of completing the heavens and the earth: "So God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation."


Which makes it an all or nothing proposition for thne belif in creationism,,...it is "nothing" by any logic.

Always enjoy the part where the sun was created AFTER the trees

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So let me get this straight....Global warming is junk science, but creationism is biology ?

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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No no nom Heiress...just a wake up call and reality check for the fundys who would replace the Constitution with the Book of Revolutions.

Anyway,,,God and I have a deal...I dont believe in her, and she give me credit for my logical thinking, and thus she forgives me.

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So let me get this straight....Global warming is junk science, but creationism is biology ?

The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
John Adams

" I have never in my life belonged to any political organizations except the Republican Party and the NRA"
Timothy McVeigh

LMAO

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"An Equal Opportunity Offender"
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.
Franklin D. Roosevelt, radio address, Oct. 26, 1939

"Don't let any man into your cab, your home, or your heart, unless he's a friend of labor." Jimmy Hoffa

'When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross'
- Sinclair Lewis 1935

I think both camps here are being rather extreme over all this The existance of God has not been proved by scientific means (if ever it is possible to positively prove anything). Greater minds then ours have tried and failed. In the absense of knowledge we are left with conjecture (after evaluating the highly limited evidence you have before you).I don't want to say you can believe whatever you like because that would be a stupid way to live your life but regardless of which option you favour you all must surely, in this case, be willing to accept the possibilty you are wrong. As I believe Montaigne said "know you believe don't believe you know".

For this reason I am a atheist. I am not a miltant atheist. I do not believe God doesn't exist. I am an atheist in the purest form. I am without knowlege (as atheist translates from the Greek) of God. If (from the limited evidence available to me) I cannot prove the existance of God then I cannot believe in him. That said I equally cannot prove God actively does not exist. So I cannot believe that. I am in ignorance, at least until conclusive evidence presents itself to me. It hasn't so I remain a sceptic. I don't hold to the dogmatic views of either of you.

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Princess I think your Bible is missing a few pages. Nowhere does it say the light was created AFTER the trees. It says the sun and the moon and the stars were created after the light. The light already existed.

Most people read the Genesis creation account without using the scientific method and, therefore, make assumptions that are not supported by the text. For example, the first rule of the scientific method is to establish the initial conditions, or the frame of reference. Genesis 1:2 clearly states that the frame of reference is "the surface of the waters" of the earth. Most people have made the mistake of assuming the frame of reference of Genesis 1 is heaven or somewhere above the earth.

What does the text specifically say? The heavens (universe, solar system, sun, earth, etc.) were already created before the first "day" In other verses, the Bible says that the earth is controlled by the heavens, refuting geocentrism (4). In Genesis 1:2, God was "hovering or brooding" over the seas of the newly formed earth 5). We know from science this is where the first unicellular life forms first appeared (6). The Hebrew word, rachaph, translated as "hovering or brooding" is used only twice in the Old Testament. The second reference is to an eagle caring for its young (7). Therefore, it seems likely that the use of the word rachaph in Genesis 1:2 may be referring to God creating the first life forms in the sea.

1 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

1:2 And the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

Both science and the Bible (8) have told us that at the earth's creation, it was covered with a dense layer of clouds and gases which would have made it dark at its surface. Genesis 1:2 says, "darkness was over the surface of the deep." Next, God removed much of the cloud cover, when He stated, "Let there be light" (Genesis 1:3) This was the light of the Sun (already created) which now "separated light from darkness" (Genesis 1:4). It is very clear from the text that the sun had already been created and the earth was rotating on its axis, since there was light (day) and darkness (night) (Genesis 1:5).

Genesis 1:6-10 describe the initiation of a stable water cycle and formation of continents through tectonic activity)

Plant life was created on the third day These verses are probably the strongest argument for the day-age interpretation. The verse says quite clearly that the earth sprouted (or brought forth) plants and fruit trees bearing fruit. The process described is clearly similar to what we see today. Fruit trees take years to bear fruit, testifying that the third day was at least several years long, and could not possibly be just 24 hours.

Next the translucent cloud layer was removed so that the sun, moon and stars shown through. Notice the unusual construction in Genesis 1:14 which states, "Then God said, 'Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years;'" "Let there be" is an unusual way to describe de novo creation (see also verse 1:3). I believe that at this point God removed the translucent cloud cover from the planet to allow the stars, moon, and Sun to be seen from the surface of the earth (the frame of reference of all Genesis 1). The text then reiterates what God had already done in Genesis 1:1 regarding the creation of the sun, moon, and stars. The time frame describes events over days, seasons, and years - obviously more than 24 hours long.

Birds (12) (~70 x 106 years ago), whales (13) (~50 x 106 years ago) and sea mammals ("swarms of living creatures," where "creatures" is the Hebrew word nephesh, referring to soulish animals - those that can form relationships with humans) were created on the "fifth" day (Genesis 1:20-21), which would correspond to the end of the Cretaceous period/beginning of the Tertiary.
The fifth day describes a period of time longer than 24 hours as swarms of living creatures are multiplying in the sea.
I still don't understand why the concept of "Let there be Light" is different from a gigantic cosmic explosion. I am not saying that it all happened in 6 days of 24 hours duration. I am saying that you haven't a clue as to why the "big bang" happened anymore than I do. You can't tell me where all the matter came from before the "big bang". You can't tell me what caused the "big bang". You can only tell me something happened and because of "science" something else happened and here we are. The same science that changes its theories every single day.

On the sixth day God created the "beasts of the earth" (in Genesis 1:25 the Hebrew word is chayyah, which is best translated as "wild animal," usually referring to carnivorous mammals (14) (the extinct families Miacidae and Viverravidae, appeared ~50 x 106 years ago or current families Canidae, Felidae, Mustelidae, and Viverridae appeared ~30 x 106 years ago ) and the cattle (the Hebrew word is behemah, from which we get the word behemoth, the artiodactyls (large grazing mammals) appeared ~15 x 106 years ago) and the rodents (mammals that "creep on the ground"). Therefore, the wild and domesticated mammals and rodents were created on the sixth day.
I don't doubt the universe was formed by a "big bang" I doubt even doubt that it took billions and billions of years to form. My only doubt is that it was a something without any reason or beginning.

The last creation of God was mankind, who was also created at the end of the sixth day. What about humans and three million year old fossil remains of bipedal primates? I believe in a literal Adam and Eve, although I do not believe they lived millions of years ago. The Bible indicates that Adam and Eve had a relationship with God (Genesis 2-3) and the text says that unique among all the animals, humans are endowed with a spirit (Hebrew, ruach, Greek, pneuma), by which they are able to communicate with and love God. Scientists have found no evidence of religious artifacts before about 25,000 to 50,000 years ago (15), which is the point at which I purpose God created Adam and Eve. The Bible states that the covenant and laws of God have been proclaimed to a "thousand generations" (16). A biblical generation, described as being 40 years, would represent at least 40,000 years of human existence. However, since the first dozen or more generations were nearly 1,000 years, this would make humans nearly 50,000 years old, which agrees very well with dates from paleontology and molecular biology (see Descent of Mankind Theory: Disproved by Molecular Biology). Therefore, I believe that bipedal primates that existed before Adam and Eve, were just part of the animal kingdom, and were not endowed with the characteristics that make humans distinct from animals.

I also understand the science (to the best of my knowledge that is) of why the universe formed as it did. But like I understand why my automobile starts up and runs that does not tell me who created the automobile in the first place.

I mean no disrepect but you are an arrogant bitch who is so closed minded the fruit of knowledge would wither and die if it came within a mile of you.

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