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Old 04-11-2007, 05:19 PM
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The market is correcting itself, money talks...
More truth was never spoken...money does talk...when it lines the pockets of the media and the likes of Big Al...for race baiting....oh the HYPOCRISY, with all this feigned insult....these same young ladies that were supposed to have taken such insult from this entertainer...if one would check, they probaly have many copies of gansta rap...listened to daily....with much more explict insult to their character......were is the justice...depends on who is doing the word manipulation? There is no clear moral stance with liberalism....no black nor white..no right nor wrong...just shades of grey...to be reasoned and rationalized into one platform or another...depending on what argument they wish to side with today....always in a state of flux. BD
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Old 04-11-2007, 05:48 PM
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More truth was never spoken...money does talk...when it lines the pockets of the media and the likes of Big Al...for race baiting....oh the HYPOCRISY, with all this feigned insult....these same young ladies that were supposed to have taken such insult from this entertainer...if one would check, they probaly have many copies of gansta rap...listened to daily....with much more explict insult to their character......were is the justice...depends on who is doing the word manipulation? There is no clear moral stance with liberalism....no black nor white..no right nor wrong...just shades of grey...to be reasoned and rationalized into one platform or another...depending on what argument they wish to side with today....always in a state of flux. BD
What do 'the youngsters' listen to? Do they just play into the BS and think Gangsta Rap is the best thing since sliced bread? Does this create a big hypocrisy and in many ways a Catch 22 to move backward through it?

All very good things to think about and what I try to do with my students is teach a good, better, best. It does exist and I will argue that with anyone. If I couldn't and could not show it then we need to shut down all the universities in the world especially in the arts and liberal arts disciplines.

The standard for our artistic interaction and public discourse as people is constantly lowered to the bottom common denominator for money. No, not for a minute do I put Gangsta Rap or BS comments that Imus, Al Sharpton or any others in the media on a high plain, and far too many are afraid to reach for a higher plain of discourse. I always make the analogy to food because our sense of smell and taste as humans is far more acute and literally prevents us from dying (you can't eat something that smells like fecal matter because ...well...it probably is or is rancid). And with that set of taste buds we distinguish very easily between McDonalds being bottom drawer in the food chain and Morton's Steak House as at or near the top of that same food chain of taste. Easy call, right? What do people actually buy more of though? But, the vast majority of people still contend Morton's is the superior and higher level of food.

Things that we see or hear in the arts and media are not necessarily the same way because no one really wants accept that there are offensive things that are low level to include the comments of a Don Imus or very offensive Gangsta rap. IMHO both are at the McDonalds level and I can tell you why. But, record and media companies want to sell and make money so the hype tells you that is OK to accept BS in exchange for something that is clever and really has some interesting twists built on things that came before. I can easily shoot down Rap because the higher level is James Brown or George Clinton with P Funk. And as for Imus people like Bob and Ray (Chris Elliot is one of their sons and is very funny) or Steve Allen were far more clever and far better at word play than lowering down to 'nappy headed hos.'

Man, it is all BS to me.
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Old 04-11-2007, 06:55 PM
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Imus has the right to say what he wants without reprisal, getting fired by his employer is a first amendment violation.
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Imus has the right to say what he wants without reprisal, getting fired by his employer is a first amendment violation.
Ever had a job? If I started spouting off like that at my job, I also would be shown the door.....
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Old 04-11-2007, 08:54 PM
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Imus has the right to say what he wants without reprisal, getting fired by his employer is a first amendment violation.
Woah...now they can fire him for putting the toilet roll on backwards in the bathroom if they so please my friend. Hell, people get fired all the time for "not fitting the corporate image" because of all kinds of things.
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Old 04-11-2007, 11:23 PM
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If private industry wants to fire him that is their right. Honestly..I had never even heard of the guy until this story broke.
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Old 04-11-2007, 11:43 PM
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If private industry wants to fire him that is their right. Honestly..I had never even heard of the guy until this story broke.
...and yes, like you (and me), there are many who don't really give two s**ts whether the idiot is around or not. Don Imus or Howard Stern are not going to be the next Nobel Peace Prize recipients.
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Is Jesse and Al going to be held accountable now for their Duke accusations?
AMEN...THE RACE CARD MAY BE PLAYED OUT.
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Imus has a 1st amendment right to say whatever he wants! But he works for a corporation which wants to make money,when what he says cost them money instead of making them money,you get fired!
Its called capitalism the holy grail of America!
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Old 04-12-2007, 03:06 PM
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How is being paid to speak an exercise in freedom of speech? If the broadcast companies and advertisers are paying Imus a salary to do a show, don’t they own his speech and thus have a right to control what he says?

In order for a broadcaster to exercise freedom of speech he must totally own his broadcast facilities and he must not receive advertising revenue from any source.

If a broadcast is beholding to anyone other than the broadcaster in any way he is being paid to speak on someone else’s behalf.

No broadcast facility owner or advertiser can be constitutionally compelled to pay for speech that they do not support.

BTW: I don’t listen or watch Imus and I know practically nothing about him. I heard about this current controversy only 2nd and 3rd hand.
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