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04-06-2007, 08:59 AM
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And as I have said, I will defend your right to do as you wish, with YOUR pesonal property...and what it represents to you. But being a citizen of this country, one must have some sense of responsiblity toward the public property of the taxpayer and what they wish something to represent also....we have common ground...within these borders. BD
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do you consider the kkk a terrorist group?
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04-06-2007, 09:00 AM
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so basically what it comes down to in simple terms is it would have destroyed america if the south had seceded. is that what you're saying? because i find one thing that caught my eye in this paragraph..if they would have left and actually had their own seperate president...what does a vote have anything to do with anything? wouldn't they have had a seperate congress?
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You are correct in your assessment that it would have destoryed the Union. I would have to say that the preservation of the Union has proven to be a good thing over all.
I am confused as to your second question. This really can't be answered in a simple forum like this. It was several complex issues and I would suggest you read "Taking A Stand - Portraits from the Southern Seccession Movement" for a better look at the reasons many southerners had to disolve the Union
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04-06-2007, 09:03 AM
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do you consider the kkk a terrorist group?
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Absolutely, anyone or anygroup that hides behind something that respresents good..such as a religion or a flag....and commits crime..bring disgrace to all. BD
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04-06-2007, 09:09 AM
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Absolutely, anyone or anygroup that hides behind something that respresents good..such as a religion or a flag....and commits crime..bring disgrace to all. BD
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And are just cowards...or they would commit these acts in the open, and standup for what they believe....ignorance comes in all races, creeds, and religions...none of us hold the monoploy on stupidity and hatred....just look around..not only at the US...but across the globe. BD
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04-06-2007, 09:13 AM
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Absolutely, anyone or anygroup that hides behind something that respresents good..such as a religion or a flag....and commits crime..bring disgrace to all. BD
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ok. well it seems that for the most part..kkk is the representation of the flag... whether bill bob from arkansas or tyquan prince from harlem learn about the kkk sure enough that flag will be right there along with the rest of the propaganda associated with the hate crimes committed in america..right there in their history books. and believe me the meaning will not change as long as the holocaust and emmit till are in the history books my friend...
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04-06-2007, 09:30 AM
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ok. well it seems that for the most part..kkk is the representation of the flag... whether bill bob from arkansas or tyquan prince from harlem learn about the kkk sure enough that flag will be right there along with the rest of the propaganda associated with the hate crimes committed in america..right there in their history books. and believe me the meaning will not change as long as the holocaust and emmit till are in the history books my friend...
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I knew where you were going with this line of logic...when you let some group of morons hold you hostage with their ideaology....and think that some cloth flag represents all the hatred...you have fallen right into their trap...they would like nothing better than for you to really believe this..it fans the flames of hatred...and lets them go to real people of faith and convictions with their lies, and point out how, "THOSE PEOPLE", are trying to disgrace our national heritage....the best way to confront these people are to simply ignore them..on a public basis..I did not say ignore if and when they physically attack you...if you need help in this regard...like I said ..I'm here...as are many true americans that realize the america that they want to live in has put such nonsense behind it....BD
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04-06-2007, 09:35 AM
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I knew where you were going with this line of logic...when you let some group of morons hold you hostage with their ideaology....and think that some cloth flag represents all the hatred...you have fallen right into their trap...they would like nothing better than for you to really believe this..it fans the flames of hatred...and lets them go to real people of faith and convictions with their lies, and point out how, "THOSE PEOPLE", are trying to disgrace our national heritage....the best way to confront these people are to simply ignore them..on a public basis..I did not say ignore if and when they physically attack you...if you need help in this regard...like I said ..I'm here...as are many true americans that realize the america that they want to live in has put such nonsense behind it....BD
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unfortunetly bd...they set traps up FOR people to fall IN. if someone stuck a finger up at your mother..or spit at her feet? would you feel disrespected?now what if they did this every day..? you can ignore for but so long. until your ignoring turns to ignorance itself.
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04-06-2007, 09:48 AM
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unfortunetly bd...they set traps up FOR people to fall IN. if someone stuck a finger up at your mother..or spit at her feet? would you feel disrespected?now what if they did this every day..? you can ignore for but so long. until your ignoring turns to ignorance itself.
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If someone gave my mother the finger....I would show them that when you put, the other four together...they make a fist...and I would proceed to show them what is was used for...just like anyone would...this is a physical attack and was made by people...not a cloth with the stars and bars on it...you have every right to defend what is yours and those in your charge...the problem is just bigotry and hatred...which usually comes from fear.....Show them that you are not afraid like they seem to be...if you continue to give them the attention they want...it breeds further hatred...not only in them, but in you....and they will eventually make a criminal out of YOU..when you lash out...Like I said...ignore them and what they represent....and it will fade away into the nothingness that is its true nature....BD
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04-06-2007, 09:50 AM
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You are correct in your assessment that it would have destoryed the Union. I would have to say that the preservation of the Union has proven to be a good thing over all.
I am confused as to your second question. This really can't be answered in a simple forum like this. It was several complex issues and I would suggest you read "Taking A Stand - Portraits from the Southern Seccession Movement" for a better look at the reasons many southerners had to disolve the Union
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wow.. i apologize for over looking your post. and i most likely will look into that book..figuring if i want to be a social justice/services major to acquire my B.S.
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04-06-2007, 09:57 AM
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If someone gave my mother the finger....I would show them that when you put, the other four together...they make a fist...and I would proceed to show them what is was used for...just like anyone would...this is a physical attack and was made by people...not a cloth with the stars and bars on it...you have every right to defend what is yours and those in your charge...the problem is just bigotry and hatred...which usually comes from fear.....Show them that you are not afraid like they seem to be...if you continue to give them the attention they want...it breeds further hatred...not only in them, but in you....and they will eventually make a criminal out of YOU..when you lash out...Like I said...ignore them and what they represent....and it will fade away into the nothingness that is its true nature....BD
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well a symbol my friend..the finger...is all it takes to provoke to wrath. why would you even tempt to provoke one to anger and fury? bd. have you ever been picked on in your life? ..i know i used to be a bully in elementary mentally..not physically....and i used to pick on this boy named daniel..i pray for daniel now...but one time i kept calling him a name...something in reference to his weight...and danny got pissed off one day and clocked me good...after that day..we were friends..for the rest of the time we knew each other. ...do you understand where im going with this bd?
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