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02-09-2007, 06:11 PM
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I think its because the man can get up and leave any time, women are tied more emotionally to children, its their nurturing instinct. The man needs to support the baby once its born, but , well, actually there is no but. I don't agree with abortion.
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02-09-2007, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sotmfs
Why do some people believe they are losing some of their "rights" when minorities are "given" or allowed the same rights by law?
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The same reason that lefties use the slippery slope argument when talking about the Patriot Act.
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02-10-2007, 09:35 PM
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As an example, there is a race. Competing in this race are 100 people. 25 of the people are white men. The others are minorities, including a minority group that is not a minority, women.
The 25 wm. run the race free, the minorities are fettered. The race goes on for 20 laps, someone stands up and says,"this isn't fair." Nearly everyone agrees. The race is stopped and the fetters are removed.
My question is, should the race continue with the wm 20 laps ahead, or should the minorities get to run a while, as the wm stand still?
Consider that at the end of another 20 laps, the winners get all the prize money.
I know that a lot of people say it is reverse discrimination to make the white guys stand still, and that is true. It is also true that it is perpetuating discrimination to let the race continue with the wm so far ahead because of past discrimination?
What should be done?
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02-10-2007, 09:41 PM
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Jude, you pose a good question here. I will say that there is no easy answer in this race. I personaly think that discrimation is wrong regardless, but I am also against quotas.
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02-10-2007, 09:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heyjude122
As an example, there is a race. Competing in this race are 100 people. 25 of the people are white men. The others are minorities, including a minority group that is not a minority, women.
The 25 wm. run the race free, the minorities are fettered. The race goes on for 20 laps, someone stands up and says,"this isn't fair." Nearly everyone agrees. The race is stopped and the fetters are removed.
My question is, should the race continue with the wm 20 laps ahead, or should the minorities get to run a while, as the wm stand still?
Consider that at the end of another 20 laps, the winners get all the prize money.
I know that a lot of people say it is reverse discrimination to make the white guys stand still, and that is true. It is also true that it is perpetuating discrimination to let the race continue with the wm so far ahead because of past discrimination?
What should be done?
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This is a very good analogy, but at what point do you start letting the white men run again. Minorities have been given a great deal of opportunity to catch up. In fact, using your analogy, somebody brought a car around and let them have a ride, so now there well rested.
Minorities are allowed to have exclusive clubs, some of the best scholarships, are first picked for college programs. The opputunity is there, but they are just not using it.
As for women, I think that they are getting tired of pounding their heads against the glass ceiling and they are starting their own businesses. That's how it's done.
Using discrimination as an excuse not to get ahead is a shame. Tell me, do you know anyone who does not suffer some type of discrimination in their life?
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02-10-2007, 10:34 PM
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I think a lot of minorities have taken advantage of the opportunities they have been given. You are not old enough to remember the US in the 50's and 60's.This country has changed so much, if I had been some where else for 40 yrs. and come back, I wouldn't have recognised it.
And, I know quite a few young people who won't take advantage of anything but the easy availability of drugs and booze.
I dropped out of school at 14 because my father said I didn't need to go, all I was going to do is get married and have babies. I went back to school after I had fulfilled his wishes. My father was as much a victim of prejudice as I was. We were taught those things. We all need to do a better job, then no one would need any advantage over anyone else. I mean a better job of raising our children without prejudice, against themselves or others.
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02-10-2007, 11:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heyjude122
I think a lot of minorities have taken advantage of the opportunities they have been given. You are not old enough to remember the US in the 50's and 60's.This country has changed so much, if I had been some where else for 40 yrs. and come back, I wouldn't have recognised it.
And, I know quite a few young people who won't take advantage of anything but the easy availability of drugs and booze.
I dropped out of school at 14 because my father said I didn't need to go, all I was going to do is get married and have babies. I went back to school after I had fulfilled his wishes. My father was as much a victim of prejudice as I was. We were taught those things. We all need to do a better job, then no one would need any advantage over anyone else. I mean a better job of raising our children without prejudice, against themselves or others.
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I agree that thru our children, we can eventually have equality. I was raised in a racist family, I will admit that sometimes the first thought in my head is discriminatory. I literally had to retrain myself, not to speak in this manner. My children, however, have a wide variety of friends. I must have done something right, because in talking with my daughter one day, I told her of some of my racist thoughts and she was very surprised. She thinks I'm one of the least racist people she knows.
I am glad to hear that you got to fulfull some of your own dreams. It is sometimes hard to break out of the mold our parents put us in. 
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