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05-16-2008, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Istok
What is this hang up westerners have with Chinese people?
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I understand the historical "yellow peril" stain on western civilization, yet at the same time there is little denying that China is currently going through a period of extreme jingoism. Now this is not surprising, after being the "sick dragon" for over 100 years, China is starting to flex its muscles and once again acquiring what it believes (and probably should be) its proper position on the world stage, and demanding the respect it feels it deserves.
However being both unsurprising and understandable doesn't justify a lot of the extremism you are seeing coming out of many Chinese.
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05-16-2008, 02:57 PM
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If there is a billion chinese people, how is it that you are sure that every one of the chinese youth are racist? I thought they were merely communist. They sure must not have many queer people or their would not be a billion of them.
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05-16-2008, 03:03 PM
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also asian people don't understand complex western philosophies, they're still trying to get over movies like the matrix and philosophers like Descartes which apparently really trip out the asian mind
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Uhm, first I find it funny that you saw anything of interest in the matrix. As for Western philosophy, they don't buy into the whole mind/body split, so they can "understand" it, but they find it all so much mental masturbation on the part of westerners.
You really need to get over thinking that norms in the west are global norms. They are not. And look at it this way. If they are so inferior mentally, why have they never felt the need to have to create monotheistic missionary religions, but we in the west need to cling to faith?
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05-16-2008, 03:18 PM
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Not to worry Folks...The Chinese has a Birth Control Policy in place that'd make all our Liberal Idiots green with envy.
They kill baby girls out of hand,,,until they get a male.  Not too bright,,,are they?
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05-16-2008, 04:40 PM
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Uhm, first I find it funny that you saw anything of interest in the matrix. As for Western philosophy, they don't buy into the whole mind/body split, so they can "understand" it, but they find it all so much mental masturbation on the part of westerners.
You really need to get over thinking that norms in the west are global norms. They are not. And look at it this way. If they are so inferior mentally, why have they never felt the need to have to create monotheistic missionary religions, but we in the west need to cling to faith?
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Seeing as Asians, once introduced to religion in the west become the most cliquish and adamant zealots, beating their Korean sons into church, banning anime cartoons with "magic" I think your points going to fall on deaf ears. Further the Western methodology is the most proven effective form of language, social structure, and philosophy on the planet. Despite the wests smaller numbers for its entire history it has ruled the world with casual ease. Western languages in particular are far superior to Asiatic languages, which is why many Asian countries have invented phonetic alphabets to modernize.
Name one world renowned Asian philosopher in the last 100 years (and don't use middle eastern people, I'm not talking about those guys).
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05-16-2008, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Realist1
Not to worry Folks...The Chinese has a Birth Control Policy in place that'd make all our Liberal Idiots green with envy.
They kill baby girls out of hand,,,until they get a male.  Not too bright,,,are they?
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sounds like a super huge cock fest
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05-16-2008, 04:42 PM
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For that matter Tak, name one Western country that any Asian has ever conquered? Didn't they have gun powder first? We know they're militant and can easily have as little regard for human life as our soldiers can. I can name several islands and harbors ruled by the West and returned to their rightful owners only because of our OWN liberalism.
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05-16-2008, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Suburbanite
Seeing as Asians, once introduced to religion in the west become the most cliquish and adamant zealots, beating their Korean sons into church, banning anime cartoons with "magic" I think your points going to fall on deaf ears. Further the Western methodology is the most proven effective form of language, social structure, and philosophy on the planet. Despite the wests smaller numbers for its entire history it has ruled the world with casual ease. Western languages in particular are far superior to Asiatic languages, which is why many Asian countries have invented phonetic alphabets to modernize.
Name one world renowned Asian philosopher in the last 100 years (and don't use middle eastern people, I'm not talking about those guys).
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Christianity is something like only 10% of the total Korean population. What is the % of Americans who go to Church weekly and think that god created the Earth 6,000 years ago? Really want to compare?
"banning anime cartoons with "magic" " Don't know what you mean to respond to? Most banning of animation has more to do with protectionism and nationalism.
Phonetic is easier, but I can argue that symbolic has advantages. Even though Cantonese and Mandarin are non-intelligible when spoken, both can read what the other writes. So it does have its advantages. My knowing Japanese allows me to get the jist of Chinese reading.
The wests main advantage over Asia has been small competing states which foster converting technology to competitive advantage. That is a geographical advantage, not a "intrinsic" advantage.
I have provided lists of major Asian philosophers. The trouble is that you don't think what they talk about is important. It is a totally different tradition. I would also suggest you look at the massive impact modern Zen has had on the west for an example of how many westerners think there is some benefit to eastern thought.
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05-16-2008, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Suburbanite
For that matter Tak, name one Western country that any Asian has ever conquered? Didn't they have gun powder first? We know they're militant and can easily have as little regard for human life as our soldiers can. I can name several islands and harbors ruled by the West and returned to their rightful owners only because of our OWN liberalism.
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Mongols invaded Russia, Poland, and Hungary, and was poised to take Austria which was only stopped by the untimely death of the Khan
Many steppes tribes have invaded into Europe before that.
The issue is that China never had a reason to invade. They are surrounded by scrub, mountain and deserts. There was no profit in invading. Until the 19th century, they made their money through exporting peacefully. Even in the 19th century, they had a huge trade surplus with Europe until the English became drug runners.
Europe never invaded Asia (crusades being the sole exception) until the 17th century and have all but abandoned it since then. Who knows what China will do in the next couple of hundred of years.
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05-16-2008, 05:54 PM
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my racism aside, can you explain that thing about knowing japanese helping you to read chinese? Do you mean only in terms of syntax or are the symbols that similar? They look different to me, and as an art student I've studied calligraphy extensively which is the only reason why this doesn't make sense to me.
Also, as for the Mandarin/Cantonese example, the same is true with Irish people, I can't understand a word out of their mouth. Or Jamaicans, bummicloud? What is that?
Good call on the Khan dynasty, batu kahn did attack poland and hungry (though didn't rule or control any of it), as did they control the empty parts of modern day russia... squeaked by with that technicality.
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