Sorry Cat, I would sort of have to agree with fen; within the atmosphere of today, you are probably the exception, and not the rule.

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You from Ft. Lewis?

The 82nd is based there so I would suppose that even though iti s a liberal area, the schools aren't openly hateful of recruiters?

One point is Fens original post had several topics- college recruiters , violence on campus and then he also mentioned percentages of college profs that oppose the Iraq invasion. I mentioned how our local school district directs all career recruitment. I like the system.

Now as far as violence to recruiters that is wrong and criminal and is this a few isiolated incidents or is it something happening routinely? Were the assaults prosecuted? i would think this would be a crime and anyone assaulting recruiters should be prosecuted.

Now moving down to Fens statment that 90% of college profs oppose the Iraq war. I am not sure if he was estimating or he was quoting something he read. I will say this-There are over 230 physicians with priveleges or direct employees at our regional medical center. I cannot think of one that thinks this invasion was good for our country. There probably are some, but if I was just going to guess as Fen did about profs I would say more than 75% do not support this invasion.Why would college profs be much different then most other professions on this topic.

I live in a city that 68% voted for Bush. My friends are a mix of various professions and political persuasions and I cannot think of one that thinks the invasion of Iraq was good for America. My cousin a lifelong republican and retired Navy pilot and his wife a retired JAG do not support this invasion. So polls show about 28% still believe it was good for America.I think fen may be close in his guess about college profs not agreeing with our invasion of Iraq. That does not mean they are anti military or would discourage someone from joining the military. A local physician in the guard who just came back from Walter Reed believes this was the biggest foreign policy blunder of history. I think the original post has many subjects-military recruiters and then the subject of believing the Iraq invasion has protected our country.

I would be willing to say that those who still believe invading Iraq was a good for America are either in Iraq or have a family member or they are like my one republican SIL who does not give a fuck about our troops, but hates Pelosi/Democrats because she is a pharmaceutical lobbyist and this congress might dry up the hundreds of billions the tax payers are overpaying for senor citizens meds. She will support any republican president and any war and could care less about a big war or no war just simply that republicans pass legislation that has American citizens paying 400 billion more then any other group of people so she can make a good income. She does not care if Bush does not support veterans or starts 25 wars-she just wants him to veto the bill where Medicare would negotiate drug prices like every other country or medical group. She loves Bush and really has no clue and could care less what he does in other countries or with veterans as long as it is not in her backyard in Scottsdale.

So you will find people like her that support the war, and those who directly involved in the war and those who listen to talk radio and beyond that most can read and know that the invasion was nothing but a pre planned mission and 9/11 was the excuse.

Do I support the troops-YES!

Am I lobbying for a pull out-no- who knows now that we have created this perfect storm what the best solution is. I want whats best for America-I wish that i were wrong on this , but I can read and think and it is clear what has happened over the last 6 years.

Not the 82nd (they are at Fort Bragg actually). I Corp is here at Lewis. I am attached to the 62nd Medical Brigade.

Generally around Lewis and McChord AFB (which includes Tacoma, Puyallup, Lakewood, etc....), the locals are generally pretty receptive to the military.

Just to the the north in Seattle and surrounding areas, not so much so.

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"A committee is a group of people who individually can do nothing but together can decide that nothing can be done."
Fred Allen

"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul."
George Bernard Shaw

"Politics is the art of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable."
John Galbraith

I am not sure around here you are correct, this is the South guys.

I have talked to these recruiters at length and they have a real mixed bag of opinion on this when it comes to the South and specific regions. What I have heard is the easiest place is in Texas (cooperative teachers and no problems making monthly #s wioth signees) and here it is a bit more of a challenge, slightly (and the teachers are not the problem, it is the parents). They have said their worst problem is 'competing' against other recruiters who will be very territorial, but not in Texas appearantly. Numerous K-12 teachers here are ex-military, on my faculty at the U of M there are actually 5 of us who are tenured profs. In my time here we have sent probably 10 or 12 kids into the miliatry to include two that auditioned and made the U.S. Army Field Band (very prestigious touring gig). Three are not in the music programs and are in combat MOSs, they did get music degrees though.

Bottom line is the San Francisco you mention is one of the highest income regions in the United States and that is refected by the housing prices and silicon valley. Also, if you want to cap on UC Berkeley or other schools there that have a long history of anti-establishment protest (FF, your about that is quite useless really)...if I was recruiter I would not touch the place with ten foot pole and try to quickly get the hell out of my duty assignment there. I was in LA for two weeks very recently and visited several HSs, and was very observant. The three low income, minority HSs (mostly hispanic) had ROTC programs and the high income white HSs did not. Most schools here in the South have these programs and especially the ones in low income minority areas, I visit a lot of schools around here and do see this. They (ROTC) will be void in a higher income bracket school. Reach your own conclusions about all that but it seems pretty obvious to me.

FF, stick to SF, you can still rant all you want there.

Generally, you are correct.

I have had plenty of friends in recruiting that tell me that it has been much easier to recruit in the southern tier than in the west and the northern states.

Families with much higher incomes tend to be more unfriendly towards the military....

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"A committee is a group of people who individually can do nothing but together can decide that nothing can be done."
Fred Allen

"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul."
George Bernard Shaw

"Politics is the art of choosing between the disastrous and the unpalatable."
John Galbraith

An unfortunately reality but here is the truth to power we have going on with far too many (IMHO) in this country. This is the same profile given to me by my GF, she has to deal with these kinds of f***ing leeches all the time as being the Pathology Lab Director at St. Jude. Yes, we live in the richest country in the world and that prosperity does breed this sort of hubris, indifference, BS, and slushiness. As long as your vote gets you yours, f*** ya all (a fantastic motto huh?). More who on are the right who have to really work hard for living, have close family in the military, and try to go after far leaning liberals might want to look a bit more and find these ingrates; maybe even give them a word or two if not beat them to death with a sack of pool balls.

Sam, you are starting to sound more and more like a conservative democrat or a liberal republican. In other words, and independent. You are showing that it should depend on a particular person's view on a subject and not the little letter after their name, should be the deciding factor on your support for that person.

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