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06-02-2008, 02:40 PM
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The lie is that the "Blame should rest on Bush for that".
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>>>He wanted the job, didn't he?
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06-02-2008, 02:53 PM
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I think you'd agree that it would take a shitload of 'documents', dropped from an extremely high altitude, to create a mushroom cloud. Btw, shit-fer-brains, 'reconstituting his WMD programs" means creating weapons, not creating documents. Are you gettin' it yet?
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06-02-2008, 02:58 PM
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I must have missed the documented evidence filling those wharehouses....
FoxNews?
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06-02-2008, 03:00 PM
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President Bush -- April 19, 2004:
"For years, law enforcement used so-called roving wire taps to investigate organized crime. You see, what that meant is if you got a wire tap by court order -- and, by the way, everything you hear about requires court order, requires there to be permission from a FISA court, for example."
President Bush -- April 20, 2004:
"Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."
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06-02-2008, 03:29 PM
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President Bush -- April 19, 2004:
"For years, law enforcement used so-called roving wire taps to investigate organized crime. You see, what that meant is if you got a wire tap by court order -- and, by the way, everything you hear about requires court order, requires there to be permission from a FISA court, for example."
President Bush -- April 20, 2004:
"Secondly, there are such things as roving wiretaps. Now, by the way, any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think Patriot Act, constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."
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Did you want to discuss FISA Cowardly?
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06-02-2008, 03:31 PM
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LOL!
Not with you, Jethro....
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06-02-2008, 03:38 PM
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The Truong court, as
did all the other courts to have decided the issue, held that the President did have inherent
authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information.26
We take for granted that the President does have that authority
and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the President’s constitutional power. The
question before us is the reverse, does FISA amplify the President’s power by providing a mechanism that at least approaches a classic warrant and which therefore supports the
government’s contention that FISA searches are constitutionally reasonable.
http://files.findlaw.com/news.findla...a111802opn.pdf
Again, stop trying to talk about what you know nothing about. You must try and differentiate " Domestic Law Enforcement Issues" from the President exercising his Constitutionally granted power upheld by the FISA Court in matters of National Safety... during War time..which is completely beyond your intellectuall capability I know....
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06-02-2008, 03:45 PM
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Yer a stupid, crazy wanker, 'mazed.
You have no brain.
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06-02-2008, 03:49 PM
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Yer a stupid, crazy wanker, 'mazed.
You have no brain.
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Translation:" I don't care what that Legal Document says."
I know that's all over your head Cowardly, I am just trying to help you to stop looking so stupid.
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06-02-2008, 03:52 PM
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Are you saying that Bushco did not require a FISA order to engage in surviellance?
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