Prove Bush lied

OkhamsRazor · #**821** (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fenianforever1689

Still ....

you fucking leftist pieces of shit can't put up one single lie.

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Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor

"I'm a uniter, not a divider" - George Walker Bush.

'nough said

case closed.

What is your standard for proof? I don't think even if he was indicted, tried and found guilty of every lie he ever told, you would accept that as proof he lied.

So what is your yardstick? Are you going to play the lame and tired game of move the line whenever anyone gets close?

I stand by my original quote... he is NOT a uniter, never was. LIE

What, that lie was not big enough? In my experience with liars, they do it a lot. So evidence of one is probable cause to put the rest of his bullshit under the microscope. And with each lie discovered, the less likely you are to receive the benefit of the doubt.

You asked for one lie and you have it.... next topic.

Cookie Parker · #**822** (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor

Yup, this same tactic was used by jimmyjude over a year ago. No matter what was posted, he would just say, "nope, that wasn't a lie, next", and begin his inane name calling and re-issue the challenge to post a lie.

I personally posted ten, backed them up, cited them and showed painstaking research into why it was a fact that Cheney has his hand up Georgie's as.... er, I mean that he lied.

Don't get drawn into this dead end argument, it just takes away from time you could spend actually debating something.

Besides, it doesn't matter if EVERYONE believes that he lied, only that those who know the truth, actually do something about it. Not just to dispense justice to a criminal administration, but to send a message to all politicians that we demand representation. Not just the privilege to vote, but for our representatives to stay on the job for "We The People" after they get to office.

The best way to deal with operatives like this, is to let them talk all day long... to the wall. Just stop going to his threads and stop responding to him when he posts on yours. Make him irrelevant. It's easy and fun too. Nothing makes little gremlins like this go away faster than no reaction.

Great post...some people are just wanting to spread the lies of the republicans and after 30 years and our nation falling apart, we can't afford it..

Cookie Parker · #**823** (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 10:11 AM

Course, none of corporate media is choosing to show this so far...

McClellan points finger at Bush, Rove - Mike Allen and Michael Calderone - Politico.com

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Former White House press secretary Scott McClellan names names in a caustic passage from a forthcoming memoir that accuses President Bush, Karl Rove and Vice President Cheney of being "involved" in his giving the press false information about the CIA leak case.

McClellan’s publisher released three paragraphs from the book “WHAT HAPPENED: Inside the Bush White House and What’s Wrong With Washington.”

The excerpts give no details about the alleged involvement of the president or vice president.

But McClellan lists five top officials as having allowed him inadvertently to mislead the public.

“I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the seniormost aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby,” McClellan wrote.

“There was one problem. It was not true.”

McClellan then absolves himself and makes an inflammatory — and potentially lucrative for his publisher — charge.

“I had unknowingly passed along false information,” McClellan wrote.

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“And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff and the president himself."

McClellan says he was in that position because he trusted the president: "The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.”

Shortly after news of the McClellan excerpt broke, Politico caught up with Judith Miller and Matthew Cooper, two reporters who received information about Valerie Plame’s identity and were caught up in the subsequent legal proceedings.

“You’re only as good as your sources,” Miller, who was a reporter at the New York Times when the imbroglio broke, said with a mischievous laugh.

Miller, now an adjunct fellow at the Manhattan Institute, spent 85 days in jail by not revealing her source. “Nothing surprises me about Washington during this administration anymore,” she said.

Cooper, who was a White House correspondent for Time magazine and is now the Washington bureau chief of Portfolio magazine, said he “was always frustrated that Rove and Libby misled McClellan.”

“I’m glad McClellan is, too,” Cooper said.

McClellan, who is still writing the book, declined to comment further.

In recent conversations and in his many public speaking engagements, McClellan has made it clear he retains great affection for the president.

But White House sources have long said that Rove and I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, the vice president’s chief of staff, allowed McClellan to suggest day after day that they had no involvement in the publication of the name of CIA operative Valerie Plame.

Later testimony showed that they did, although neither was the original source of the leak.

A federal jury found Libby guilty of on perjury and obstruction charges, and Bush later commuted his 30-month sentence.

In an appearance on CNN’s “Larry King Live” in March, the day Libby was found guilty, McClellan said Bush did not originally know about the involvement by his aides.

McClellan told King: “I spoke with those individuals, … and those individuals assured me they were not involved in this. … said what I believed to be true at the time. It was also what the president believed to be true at the time based on assurances that we were both given. Knowing what I know today, I would have never said that back then.”

Friends say McClellan was privately bitter and hurt.

He and Rove had come to Washington from Texas together.

“Scottie,” as Bush called him, had worked in the Texas governor’s office, making him one of the president’s longest serving aides.

McClellan, an Austin native, was White House press secretary from 2003 to 2006. Before that, he was traveling press secretary for the Bush-Cheney campaign of 2000.

When McClellan announced his resignation in April 2006, he and the president embraced during a tearful appearance on the South Lawn.

Bush said: “I thought he handled his assignment with class, integrity. ... One of these days he and I are going to be rocking on chairs in Texas, talking about the good old days and his time as the press secretary. And I can assure you I will feel the same way then that I feel now, that I can say to Scott, 'Job well done.'”

Now they’ll have even more to talk about.

The 400-page hardcover, with a price of $27.95, is set for publication April 21.

ONEWHITEDUCK · #**824** (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor

"I'm a uniter, not a divider" - George Walker Bush.

'nough said

case closed.

WHAT UNHOLY ALLIANCE HAS FEMINISM UNITED ???

In fact, feminism is presently destroying our military. Feminism is the principle at work when a military man is accused of failing to make nice in Iraq. Feminism is the reason we give the enemy – not our own men – the edge that decides who lives and who dies. The entire U.S. military is being retooled to accommodate some uniformed bull dykes at the Pentagon who aspire to flag rank. Good men are leaving.

Recently, a criminal beat a World War II veteran in Detroit and stole his car. The victim, Leonard Sims, was 91-years-old, and commentators are aghast because many witnesses saw the crime in progress (it was even taped), but no one – no one – no one did anything to help him. Sims was left to defend himself.

Why the surprise? The witnesses did what they have been trained to do starting in kindergarten. They made nice. They have been taught that nothing, ever, is worth fighting about, so they didn’t. They have been taught that it is not nice to bear arms, so they didn’t. The fact that the criminal refused to make nice was not a reason to intervene. The witnesses waited politely for the cops to show up. Cops almost always show up after the crime has been committed.

Here is another of Stang’s Immutable Laws: It is right to make nice with ladies, gentlemen and children. If you make nice in war or in crime, you will lose, you will lose, you will lose. Did I repeat that enough? That is why we can’t seem to win in Iraq. That is why there is always an American military man on trial there for “atrocities.”

The basic principle of today’s feminism is that men and women are the same. There are superficial differences – women stick out farther fore and aft – but feminism says they are superficial. Basically, men and women are interchangeable, says feminism, and therefore they should be treated alike, in the military, in the police, anywhere. To see the effect of this, simply turn on the television. In fact, feminist propaganda teaches that men and women are the same, but women are superior, because they make nicer.

Of course anyone who knows anything at all about the subject knows that this is so preposterous it could be a joke, or maybe the people who propose it are insane, because it would certainly produce a disaster. Indeed, so destructive is it that the question inevitably arises of whether that disaster is the purpose.

The feminists are not shy about this. Some of them boast openly that their purpose is to destroy society. Of course, they are mere cannon fodder. Should they succeed in destroying society, the people who take over would quickly sweep them into the dust bin of history. To stop those people, we must know what they are doing.

The most important thing to understand about feminism is that it is profoundly anti-feminine, that it has victimized and cheated women much more than any real injustice – indeed, women are its main victims – and that it continues to use women as pawns in a totalitarian scheme. This country’s women desperately need to be liberated from feminism.

Feminism has succeeded so far so much by misrepresenting itself completely as a fairness movement: “equal pay for equal work,” for instance. Of course, feminism has nothing whatsoever to do with fairness. Again, it is an immensely successful weapon, expressly designed to destroy the United States.

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Cookie Parker · #**825** (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 10:14 AM

UPDATE: Scott McClellan in Upcoming Book Ties Bush to CIA Leak Case -- Dodd Calls for Probe

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NEW YORK To no one's surprise in a world where top White House aides with any president eventually write a book about it, former Press Secretary Scott McClellan will be coming out with his volume in April. It's called "What Happened" and its publisher, Public Affairs, at its Web site now carries this brief excerpt -- which set off a media firestorm on Tuesday.

It also led to a call for a full probe by a top U.S. senator and condemnation from former CIA agent Valerie Plame.

E&P was first mainstream news outlet to report on Monday night that the McClellan excerpt reads:

"The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

"There was one problem. It was not true.

"I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration "were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President's chief of staff, and the president himself."

AP reported this afternoon: "White House press secretary Dana Perino said it wasn't clear what McClellan meant in the excerpt and she had no immediate comment. McClellan turned down interview requests Tuesday."

Later Tuesday, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Ct.) , who is running for president, stated, "Today's revelations by Mr. McClellan are very disturbing and raise several important questions that need to be answered. If in fact the President of the United of States knowingly instructed his chief spokesman to mislead the American people, there can be no more fundamental betrayal of the public trust.

"During his confirmation process, Attorney General Mukasey said he would act independently. Accordingly, today, I call on the Attorney General to live up to his word and launch an immediate investigation to determine the facts of this case, the extent of any cover up and determine what the President knew and when he knew it."

Even later Friday, Valerie Plame released the following statement from her new home in Santa Fe, N.M.: "I am outraged to learn that former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan confirms that he was sent out to lie to the press corps and the American public about two senior White House officials, Karl Rove and I. Lewis 'Scooter' Libby who deliberately and recklessly revealed my identity as a covert CIA operations officer. Even more shocking, McClellan confirms that not only Karl Rove and Scooter Libby told him to lie but Vice President Cheney, Presidential Chief of Staff Andrew Card, and President Bush also ordered McClellan to issue his misleading statement. Unfortunately, President Bush's commutation of Scooter Libby's felony sentence has short-circuited justice.

"Vice President Cheney in particular knew that Scooter Libby was involved because he had ordered and directed his actions. McClellan's revelations provide important support for our civil suit against those who violated our national security and maliciously destroyed my career."

At The Lede blog at The New York Times, Mike Nizza responded earlier: "How exactly was the president involved? Did he take part in a cover-up? Will the next few sentences in the book explain the role of each official? Well, until more of the 400-page book is released, we are left with only a tantalizing bit of fodder for close watchers of the C.I.A.-leak story line to chew on. If Mr. McClellan is the first senior administration official to implicate President Bush in the scandal, we’ll definitely know by April 2008, when the memoir is due to hit store shelves. But something tells The Lede that this won’t be the last little taste of the book that the publisher will, um, leak to the press."

In its promotional material posted at Amazon.com and elsewhere, the publisher describes the book like this: "In this refreshingly clear-eyed book, written with no agenda other than to record his experiences and insights for the benefit of history, McClellan provides unique perspective on what happened and why it happened the way it did, including the Iraq war, Hurricane Katrina, Washington's bitter partisanship, and two hotly-contested presidential campaigns. He gives readers a candid look into who George W. Bush is and what he believes, and into the personalities, strengths, and liabilities of his top aides.

"Finally, McClellan looks to the future, exploring the lessons this presidency offers the American people as we prepare to elect a new leader."
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Well, a traitor and an act of treason from the president and vice president? think THIS warrants an independent investigation...I want no traitors and terrorists in my country...

fenianforever1689 · #**826** (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 10:35 AM

Still no lies.

OkhamsRazor · #**827** (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 02:53 PM

I'm so done with this thread. Jimmy, I mean fenian... either define your yardstick for a lie or I will define it for you. Isn't that how this political game works. If you fail to define yourself, the issue or your expectations, your opponent is wise to take advantage.

Tell you what, give us an example of a democrat lie that we can use as a measure of what would be acceptable evidence for a bucheney lie. At least then you will be held accountable for a double standard should you choose to apply one.

Or, you could just tell us where the bar is.

Short of that, I'm done with this thread. Bored... I can pull up at least five threads that have covered this topic ad-nausea. So, if you want cred for winning this debate, you are going to have to do it in a way other than wearing out your opponent. Be the first to bring up this subject to actually define your criteria for a lie.

But you won't... you can't. Once you do, it's not difficult to find something to fit the bill, then you lose. Otherwise, you're just part of the circus. Well, maybe the sideshow...

I'll check back to see if you are a man that can take a fair fight, or a just a loudmouth pissant button pusher. If the latter, I'm done here.

fenianforever1689 · #**828** (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 11:39 PM

Yep....still no lies.

You would think that it would be incredibly easy to come up with at least one lie.

I guess you cocksucking loser fucking lefty morons just can't do anything without government help!

cat's meow · #**829** (**permalink**) 11-22-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by fenianforever1689

I guess you cocksucking loser fucking lefty morons just can't do anything without government help!

Will you kiss your mommy with that mouth on Thanksgiving tomorrow?

The latest stuff with Scott McClellen is another set of lies. Prove it was not.

I am so sorry you are such a retard and can't read, I guess you are part of the rapidly growing part of our public who is illiterate. The lies have been given over and over. It is upon you to prove they are not lies. Do it. I see you gave up on being able to do that on the other thread a long, long time ago.

This thread has been done for while now.

fenianforever1689 · #**830** (**permalink**) 11-22-2007, 12:11 AM

I kissed YOUR mother with this mouth.

but before she swallowed my load though.