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06-03-2007, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by fenianforever1689
All I have asked is that you demonstrate a lie so we can start this discussion.
Your reluctance to do so demonstrates that you are unable to do so.
Your best example was a supposed statement by Bush in 9.02 without ANY verification that HE actually said that.
IT"S IN HIS STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS .... LMAO...... ROF...... BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahaaha
As I said that seemed like an editorial to me. Certainly there was no link.
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Fen, it's old and not worth responding to anymore. You have ten examples of lies. pick one and refute it. As anyone can see who has read the thread, your challenge has been met and it is YOU that are ducking the response.
Your lame attempt to discredit based on refusal to acknowledge, only works with a ten second tape delay on AM radio.
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06-03-2007, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor
Not sure what that last sentence means, but it reads as though you think bush lied after all.....
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It proves that you wish to live in the past....as you dig through the outcast garbage of the media...in an attempt to prove that we are now engaged in an Illegal conflict.....its all moot....there is no definitive proof of guilt..the war is legal....we are there......to further engage in any conversations to rehash history is of no benefit to anyone.....we must deal with the problems that are before us.....and move forward. BD
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06-03-2007, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bluedog
It proves that you wish to live in the past....as you dig through the outcast garbage of the media...in an attempt to prove that we are now engaged in an Illegal conflict.....its all moot....there is no definitive proof of guilt..the war is legal....we are there......to further engage in any conversations to rehash history is of no benefit to anyone.....we must deal with the problems that are before us.....and move forward. BD
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The problem before us is the same root problem that caused the systemic problems we have now... THE MEN IN POWER
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06-03-2007, 03:30 PM
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Still can't provide a single lie.
You just spout some nonsense and then say that is a lie.
what a bunch of cowardly bastiches.
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06-03-2007, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by OkhamsRazor
The problem before us is the same root problem that caused the systemic problems we have now... THE MEN IN POWER
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There you go again.....you blame everyone for the problems....with the exception of the enemy(fundamental Islam).....you ignore the true culprit....a clash of religious ideologies......I am not PC....the difference between the two cultures is the real problem.....and there can be no problem solving...until such time as we admit...what the real problem is......YOU CANNOT CURE THE DISEASE BY TREATING THE SYMPTOMS. BD
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06-03-2007, 03:39 PM
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I wonder If we can just call them all deceitful ? Even after the many learned of the so called "mistakes, like WMD's" of the moment, deceivers became liars. Is being deceitful in reality a lie ? Since at least a few think that being deceitful is not lying, then a lie built upon deceitfulness can never be proven. And so it is. Since Bush "and the administration" can't be proved a liar, could he be proven to be deceitful ?
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06-03-2007, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by 29times
I wonder If we can just call them all deceitful ? Even after the many learned of the so called "mistakes, like WMD's" of the moment, deceivers became liars. Is being deceitful in reality a lie ? Since at least a few think that being deceitful is not lying, then a lie built upon deceitfulness can never be proven. And so it is. Since Bush "and the administration" can't be proved a liar, could he be proven to be deceitful ?
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No.
The left yell and yell and yell that he lied.
And then when called on the carpet about it they spout nonsense, say they proved it, and run away like little cowards.
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06-03-2007, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 29times
I wonder If we can just call them all deceitful ? Even after the many learned of the so called "mistakes, like WMD's" of the moment, deceivers became liars. Is being deceitful in reality a lie ? Since at least a few think that being deceitful is not lying, then a lie built upon deceitfulness can never be proven. And so it is. Since Bush "and the administration" can't be proved a liar, could he be proven to be deceitful ?
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A lie by other name is still a lie....but a mistake is a common occurrence...made by people that are in fact taking action.....As my gandpappy used to tell me......."THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT DON'T MAKE MISTAKES...ARE THE ONES THAT DON'T DO ANYTHING"......so, I accept the fact... that people do make mistakes....but the defining factor to me is....are they stupid?...and this is proven by the fact....they continue making the same mistakes over and over....and expect different results....That is "STUPIDITY" defined. BD
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06-03-2007, 03:58 PM
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fenianforever1689,
I would agree with you in that there is no complete evidence of bold face lying. But, I submit to you that deceiving is lying. The preponderance of the evidence would prove this out, I feel pretty sure. Again, and simply because we are not in a court of law, technically the facts don't exist. Even still it doesn't prove he didn't lie. That's how this game works. Technically I digress that you win but in my heart, Bush "and the admin" did lie.
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06-03-2007, 04:05 PM
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bluedog,
Mistakes are natural, I agree. But in the business of politics of such high importance, how could a mistake of this degree be made ? And how do I as a citizen of the USA continue to believe it was just a mistake ? How does one prove it's a mistake ?
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