Walter Reed Reaction Contrasts Sharply with Abu Ghraib Response

cat's meow · #1 (**permalink**) 03-06-2007, 09:47 AM

Hmmm, interesting comparison here

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Walter Reed Reaction Contrasts Sharply with Abu Ghraib Response
by Jackie Northam

Deadshot · #2 (**permalink**) 03-06-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Hmmm, interesting comparison here

Thank goodness we have a great leadership team in place at the White House.

Lookagain · #3 (**permalink**) 03-06-2007, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Hmmm, interesting comparison here

GET BENT asnti-war dick wadf...did you READ the AQUARIAN CONSPIRACY YET....TEACHER....bet NOT....YOU might find out where YOUR ideas CAME FROM:-O

MANIFEST A BAD DAY;-)

gixaholic · #4 (**permalink**) 03-06-2007, 10:13 AM

I think it's kind of a stretch to place the blame of this situation soly on The current administration.... This is a culmination of years of neglet from many administrations...... AND CONGRESSES. Not being playing partisan politics here....

Atleast now that it is in the open there is going to be a remedy and heads of folks specificly incharge have already rolled.....

cat's meow · #5 (**permalink**) 03-06-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Lookagain

GET BENT asnti-war dick wadf...did you READ the AQUARIAN CONSPIRACY YET....TEACHER....bet NOT....YOU might find out where YOUR ideas CAME FROM:-O

MANIFEST A BAD DAY;-)

You have just made no sense at all, seems to happen far too often with you.

A. You can't read my mind so don't try to.
B. The response has more to do with the time frame than the actions themselves. There is even a different Sec of Defense now if you did not notice numbnut.
C. How about having a real conversation for once rather than spouting some more of your jingoistic bull shit.

cat's meow · #6 (**permalink**) 03-06-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gixaholic

I think it's kind of a stretch to place the blame of this situation soly on The current administration.... This is a culmination of years of neglet from many administrations...... AND CONGRESSES. Not being playing partisan politics here....

Atleast now that it is in the open there is going to be a remedy and heads of folks specificly incharge have already rolled.....

They do derserve blame here but you are correct in a sense. The VA medical problems are notorious. But, if you are going to be so bold as to be prosecuting a big military action you better be damn confident in the level of medical care given later. There WILL be casualties and there WILL be permenantly impaired sildiers coming home that we WILL need to take care of. Personally, I am VERY much for my taxes doing this. Problems did arise from the First Gulf War and the Pentagon was bad about trying to cover the problems with PTSD and the anti-anthrax drug that was being used.

gixaholic · #7 (**permalink**) 03-06-2007, 10:28 AM

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They do derserve blame here but you are correct in a sense. The VA medical problems are notorious. But, if you are going to be so bold as to be prosecuting a big military action you better be damn confident in the level of medical care given later. There WILL be casualties and there WILL be permenantly impaired sildiers coming home that we WILL need to take care of. Personally, I am VERY much for my taxes doing this. Problems did arise from the First Gulf War and the Pentagon was bad about trying to cover the problems with PTSD and the anti-anthrax drug that was being used.

Cat please you are being partisan and pointing the finger at this administration or any other (which could easily be done since 99% of all VA centers where built before this administration took office) is not the way to handle this.... And the fact that the VA is infamouse for not being as efficent as private hospitals............. Yet another case for non socialized healthcare...

anyway

And i think your logic of not going to war with a faulty VA system is irrational and irresponsible.....

It sounds like you are saying that we can only go to war if THE VA hospitals are like Mount Sinai Medical Center.....

cat's meow · #8 (**permalink**) 03-06-2007, 10:35 AM

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Cat please you are being partisan and pointing the finger at this administration or any other (which could easily be done since 99% of all VA centers where built before this administration took office) is not the way to handle this.... And the fact that the VA is infamouse for not being as efficent as private hospitals............. Yet another case for non socialized healthcare...

anyway

And i think your logic of not going to war with a faulty VA system is irrational and irresponsible.....

It sounds like you are saying that we can only go to war if THE VA hospitals are like Mount Sinai Medical Center.....

Oh I don't think so. Even having been in the military for six years I have only a few gripes about them but that is one of them. Why do things not change when we have these same statistics over and over that show us what level of 'back line' support we need? Remember I did take issue with the First Gulf War but onlay the Pentagon's after-action medical response. And yes, GHWB was very right in what he did in taking that initial military action. I supported him but his and Clinton's administrations should have taken on the Pentagon over the anti-anthrax vaccine that has f***ed up a lot of people. I am not sure where you are seeing the finger pointing here, there is plenty of blame to go around and the common soldier gets screwed in the end, that is my point.

TheHarshTruth · #9 (**permalink**) 03-06-2007, 10:43 AM

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Oh I don't think so. Even having been in the military for six years I have only a few gripes about them but that is one of them. Why do things not change when we have these same statistics over and over that show us what level of 'back line' support we need? Remember I did take issue with the First Gulf War but onlay the Pentagon's after-action medical response. And yes, GHWB was very right in what he did in taking that initial military action. I supported him but his and Clinton's administrations should have taken on the Pentagon over the anti-anthrax vaccine that has f***ed up a lot of people. I am not sure where you are seeing the finger pointing here, there is plenty of blame to go around and the common soldier gets screwed in the end, that is my point.

That anti-anthrax vaccine messed up a lot of people? I remember this one wall street idiot at the time showing me the website. It had some edgy hip sound to attract military types, dynamic splash screen again to capture attention of kids, and claimed it had the vaccine everybody needed. You can imagine how much harm I thought that was going to do to the poor people who would fall for it.

Deadshot · #10 (**permalink**) 03-06-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gixaholic

I think it's kind of a stretch to place the blame of this situation soly on The current administration.... This is a culmination of years of neglet from many administrations...... AND CONGRESSES. Not being playing partisan politics here....

Atleast now that it is in the open there is going to be a remedy and heads of folks specificly incharge have already rolled.....

Gix, you are right, this has been a problem since LBJ. But here's the rub.

The Bush Administration said that they were READY for the war. They were not.

If you want to start to lay blame, from LBJ until now - 40 years - 26 of those years have had Republican Presidents (Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I and Bush II) versus 14 of the Dems (LBJ, Carter and Clinton). So why didn't the R's do anything? We Dems are all labeled as haters of the military (which we're not) and not willing to do anything for them (which is wrong), but the R's LOVE the military. Wha happened?

If you want to jump on the Congresses, we can do the math there too. You could point out that from 1967, and the 90th Congress, to the 2006, 109th Congress, the Democrats had complete control of Congress (both House and Senate) 11 times, it was split (with R's controlling the Senate and D's controlling the House) 3 times and Republicans having complete control of Congress 6 times. So one could ask, wha happened with the Democratic Congresses?

But here's the interesting part, the part that most Republicans can't stomach, it's why even Republicans are pissed about this Walter Reed thing. While you can say that Congressionally the Dem's had more chances to act, and should have, Presidentially the opposite is true. So one could argue a 50/50 split when it comes to Government. That is until you look at the last 6years where the Republicans had TOTAL Governmental power with control of the Presidency, House and Senate.

You wanna blame the state of the V.A. and Walter Reed on Clinton, watch out he had a Republican Congress for 6 of his 8 years. Wanna blame it on the course of the last 40 years of governmental FUBAR's, again watch out the numbers show that each side had a chance and SNAFU'd it. But this Administration said that they were READY for war. This Administration said things like "You go to war with the Army you have." - D. Rumsfeld. This President has talked and talked about the need to care for our troops.

This Administration failed the troops. They had 6 years to fix, or attempt to fix the problem. All the Dem's and the moderate Rep's are pissed about this, as are ALL Vets. You always blame the last guy in charge, right now that guy is a Republican.