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01-21-2007, 09:31 PM
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Attorney General Gonzales: "there is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution"
Here's the link; it's on a left-wing blog, but the video and transcript are there. Seems like everybody in the Administration is going crazy...
GONZALES: I will go back and look at it. The fact that the Constitution — again, there is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution. There is a prohibition against taking it away. But it’s never been the case, and I’m not a Supreme —
SPECTER: Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. The constitution says you can’t take it away, except in the case of rebellion or invasion. Doesn’t that mean you have the right of habeas corpus, unless there is an invasion or rebellion?
GONZALES: I meant by that comment, the Constitution doesn’t say, “Every individual in the United States or every citizen is hereby granted or assured the right to habeas.” It doesn’t say that. It simply says the right of habeas corpus shall not be suspended except by —
SPECTER: You may be treading on your interdiction and violating common sense, Mr. Attorney General.
GONZALES: Um.
Does he really believe this, or is he deliberately lying ? In either case, he should be removed/impeached for unabashedly uttering such crap ; he's acting as if the past seven centuries never existed. Cheney was always a piece of work, and now we discover the nuttiness of Gonzales ; apparently insanity is the only prerequisite for promotion in this Administration.
W. Bush : "So, Dick already says I can go to war all by my lonesome, now who can top that ?"
A few seconds of thoughtful silence.
Gonzales : "Well, Georgie boy, let me say: no...habeas...corpus !"
W. Bush : "Oh, you're my attorney general now, baby !"
Last edited by Cizungu; 01-21-2007 at 09:36 PM.
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01-21-2007, 10:55 PM
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Machiavelli Incarnate
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Cizungu: It is frightening when our Attorney General cannot comprehend a question about our constitution. I would like to see his answers on a test at every law school in the country to be graded! ( F!) Spector (R) is so frustrated at this point he could barely respond.
Come on ,,you mean you are not terrified enough to give up your constitutional rights!!???
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01-21-2007, 11:39 PM
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"express grant of habeas corpus".
I think that he meant that because it is true.
Many people find it disconcerting when people read the constitution and the words that are ACTUALLY written are the ones that they see,
not the
penumbras and emanations as in justification for Roe.
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01-22-2007, 12:02 AM
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I watched Gonzales on C-SPAN this afternoon. There are no words that came to mind when he said that. I was appalled!
When I was in hi-school, it was explained to me that the men who wrote the Constitution considered the right of habeas corpus so fundamental that they didn't think it necessary to write it in. Only to state the two exceptions to habeas. The AG was merely domonstrating how this WH disrespects the Constitution,
and tries every kind of machiavellian scullduggery to deprive people of their lawful rights.
Perhaps the next ploy the administration will try is to claim the Constitution became irrelevant after God became the president
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01-22-2007, 03:57 PM
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Other interesting "arguments" :
Tony Snow, Press Secretary, at his January 8 briefing :
MR. SNOW : "(...) you know, Congress has the power of the purse. The President has the ability to exercise his own authority if he thinks Congress has voted the wrong way."
Shorter argument, Mussolini meets Stalin : "il Duce ha siempre ragione ! How many divisions does Congress have ?"
John Yoo on NPR, October 4 :
STEVE INSKEEP : "Are you saying it would be too expensive to give habeas corpus protection to non-citizens?"
JOHN YOO : "Yeah, I think that's what Congress decided, (...) hundreds and hundreds of habeas corpus proceedings, and they do impose a cost, (...) All this process does have a cost on our system, it's not free."
Shorter argument : "we're too broke to enforce constitutional rights !"
Is this a contest between Administration members, the making-laughable-claims-and-getting-away-with-it game ?
Last edited by Cizungu; 01-22-2007 at 04:03 PM.
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