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Old 01-18-2007, 09:47 AM
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This is all well and good but what they are not telling you is that because of these fees on the oil companies they will most likely increase prices. Increased oil prices always hurt the economy and the middle and lower class.
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Old 01-18-2007, 10:17 AM
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This is all well and good but what they are not telling you is that because of these fees on the oil companies they will most likely increase prices. Increased oil prices always hurt the economy and the middle and lower class.
not only that. Allote od these tax breaks are for domestic oil production..... Once they breaks are gone companies will transfer there resources to more profitable avenue's of oil supply's...... Thus making us in need of more foreign oil and making us less safe at the same time............... Because the democrats campaiogned on Limiting the foregin oil and trying boost us oil as a campain promiss for safety
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Old 01-18-2007, 01:54 PM
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not only that. Allote od these tax breaks are for domestic oil production..... Once they breaks are gone companies will transfer there resources to more profitable avenue's of oil supply's...... Thus making us in need of more foreign oil and making us less safe at the same time............... Because the democrats campaiogned on Limiting the foregin oil and trying boost us oil as a campain promiss for safety
Very true!
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:04 PM
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Good... I hope oil prices do go up. Then we are forced to face the future with cars that get 40-60 mpg or new technologies all together. As long as oil is cheap we will buy HUMMERS and other large vehicles. When prices go up we go back to the Toyota's and other fuel saving vehicles... so oil prices going up isn't such a bad thing...
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Good... I hope oil prices do go up. Then we are forced to face the future with cars that get 40-60 mpg or new technologies all together. As long as oil is cheap we will buy HUMMERS and other large vehicles. When prices go up we go back to the Toyota's and other fuel saving vehicles... so oil prices going up isn't such a bad thing...
Good....................... so are you for high gas prices.......
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:41 PM
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I'm for saving the environment and ending our dependence on oil... I'm not talking about raising the price of gas (we actually can't do that) add a two dollar tax to it and watch how people's habits change. It will be hard but it would also pay for this fucked up war and perhaps universal health care.
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Old 01-18-2007, 08:51 PM
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I'm for saving the environment and ending our dependence on oil... I'm not talking about raising the price of gas (we actually can't do that) add a two dollar tax to it and watch how people's habits change. It will be hard but it would also pay for this fucked up war and perhaps universal health care.
Hey Fucko:

Are you not aware that anywhere from 40% to 55% of all gasoline charges already are taxes? Oh and by the way, who is going to run this "universal healthcare" you are proposing? What are the start up costs? Well, stupid one whatever you figure the start up costs are (because I know you've really thought this one through, you cradle to grave fucking jackoff) try doubling it because there is nothing but greasy palms in Washington waiting to be sold to the highest bidder of those dreaded pharmaceutcial companies that you always rally against. Fucking hell, man! You ignorance and stupidity knows no fucking bounds. Move to fucking France where you can get all of the free shit you want. Just don't count on a job for 2 reasons: 1) Your too fucking stupid to hold a job and 2) All of these socialist countries that you so love have an average of 36% unemployment. That peice of shit Bush has lowered unemployment to 4.5%.
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Old 01-18-2007, 09:00 PM
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Oh steve... let's fucking go prick, you infinitesimal neocon shit heap. I KNOW GAS IS ALREADY TAXED, but it's time to start weening Americans down from it... you want to stop the terrorist, well here it is on a silver platter. You NEED for oil has created our own state of fear.

As for universal health care... Everyone gets basic coverage and the government pays it... I want health care over a defense department that can be out done by some retards with a box cutter as well as COMPLETELY OPEN BORDERS.

What is you leve of education mr k? I'm feeling about a 9th grade level. Don't try to match with me because you will not fair well.


By the way... although I am handicapped I MAKE A VERY GOOD LIVING. So your "all liberals are on welfare" bullshit you get from Rush or O'Reily is shit. Most liberals are highly educated and successful. I'm sure you're not a liberal... you don't have the minimum requirements to be one.

That piece of shit Bush is right... HE HAS LOST IT and you still support his fucked up mission he should call "Operation Kill More Kids for NO REASON"

So let's go... what else do you want to talk about? I'll spar with your GED ass all night.
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Old 01-18-2007, 10:25 PM
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Oh steve... let's fucking go prick, you infinitesimal neocon shit heap. I KNOW GAS IS ALREADY TAXED, but it's time to start weening Americans down from it... you want to stop the terrorist, well here it is on a silver platter. You NEED for oil has created our own state of fear.

As for universal health care... Everyone gets basic coverage and the government pays it... I want health care over a defense department that can be out done by some retards with a box cutter as well as COMPLETELY OPEN BORDERS.

What is you leve of education mr k? I'm feeling about a 9th grade level. Don't try to match with me because you will not fair well.


By the way... although I am handicapped I MAKE A VERY GOOD LIVING. So your "all liberals are on welfare" bullshit you get from Rush or O'Reily is shit. Most liberals are highly educated and successful. I'm sure you're not a liberal... you don't have the minimum requirements to be one.

That piece of shit Bush is right... HE HAS LOST IT and you still support his fucked up mission he should call "Operation Kill More Kids for NO REASON"

So let's go... what else do you want to talk about? I'll spar with your GED ass all night.

1) Who the hell is talking about handicapped? I didn't even know you were handicapped. And if you are, so fucking what? An idiot is an idiot. And while I'm on it, you have never heard me say "all liberals on welfare". Again, you are obviously confusing me with the other person renting space in your head.

2) Everyone is in favor of being "weened" off of gas and that's great. However, what you don't get is that companies have to know that they are going to make money in order to invest. Government doesn't create anything except beauracracy, laws, limits and the like. That's where the majority of your beliefs go down the drain. Some car companies have begun (key word is 'begun') to sell hybrid cars. Great. Let's see how many people buy them. The more that do, the more companies will invest. Supply & demand. However, with a lot of the enviornmental laws that are in place it is nearly impossible to do the research necessary to tell the Middle East to fuck off once and for all. For example, wind energy interest took a tail-spin when your beloved 'Uncle Teddy' decided that it blocked his view in nantuket. You are most liekly against nuclear power even though it's cheap (obviously, the waste is a bit messy). Being your against nuclear energy, you will be against more nuclear reactors being built. I don't believe there has been one built since the early '80's. As far as oil drilling, we can't do it here anymore. We can't frill off either coast, we can't drill in Alaska, we can't drill anywhere even though technical advances have made it very doable as to not disrupt wild-life. So, Mr. energy you can see the quagmire we are in. Too much government regulation, too many limits, not enough options. You're men in suits in Washington acting out of self-interest and kick-backs not acting at the service of the people they were supposed to represent. And you want more tax hikes.

3) If you want completely open borders, then I'll leave that statement alone. It is too dangerous to even discuss with you.

4) As far as Bush losing it, he hasn't lost it at all. He (and his administration)has however shown a complete ineptness for fighting this war. He kept Rumsfeld on for far too long and should have replaced others early on in the war. I saw it and I'm not genius. His problem (as I've repeated over and over to you) is that he has tried the Vietnam policy of fighting a "politically correct" war in part, I suspect, to please people like you, not piss the UN off too much and trying to gain the respectability of people and nations he or more specifically America will never gain. We never saw "Shock & Awe". Any real measures of bombing has been protested by people like yourself. You and others of similar beliefs are more interested in defeating Bush and humiliating Bush than you are in trying to kill people, are hell bent on killing you. And that is what you just don't get. Anne Sullivan I am not. I am not miricle worker. However, having been in NYC on 9/11 and having heard the planes, seen the destruction and ran for my life like countless others did, I have more of an appreciation for what these people want to do to me and my kid. You don't believe that and you think that somehow this was all America's fault or that Bush and company knew from the begining that this was going to happen and they allowed it. Or even better, it was the Jews. What otehr comspiracy theories have I missed? Is Bush responsible for your handicap as well?

4) Finally, even if we get off of oil completely tomorrow that's not going to stop terrorism. How fucking simple are you? On their end this is not about oil. It's about religion. Get it? Anyone who does not subscribe to Islamic Fasicsm in thir minds should be killed andmaimed. Ican't believe you are as smart as you say you are because all you have to do is google terrorist attacks across the world going back as far as would like. You think this terrorism thing is new? Get your fucking head out of your ass and wake the fuck up!!
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What is you leve of education mr k? I'm feeling about a 9th grade level. Don't try to match with me because you will not fair well.
It is "you will not fare well", and I learned that before ninth grade.
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