Very good post!!

The Republican guard did not turn tail and run , they were following the very plan that has put bush and rummy in the frying pan right now. Can't you see it was ste up beforehand due to bush,s telegraphing his moves two years in advance. all of those weapon cahses were placed well in advance to support what has frustrated the Bush plan to this day. Think about that.

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Yep and finger pointing among politicians will never end because we might figure that politicians are not all that necessary. The job of the politician is now to distract us with things they can do nothing about (ie. abortion, gay marriage, etc.) while doing the things they can control (taxes, immigration, etc.).

As for finger pointing by the electorate? It is the electorates' job to hold feet to the fire so to speak, and I am uncomfortable with terrorists who openly root for one of our political parties and are glad when that party wins. In an earlier message this guy (or some other dipshit) was pleased with our election results. Pity, really.

It's a smoke screen don't you know. This guy here and the president of Iran both spouting the same thing. Think about it. Look at what these people believe in, and then look at the liberal/democrat platform. Do you really think they agree with the democrats. There trying to stir shit and it's working.

but how was the begining of the war political you still did not ansewr. And i dont understand your aproach on the pentagons strategy to mimimize losses. Isn't that what they are supposed to do. And why is it now you are giving credit to the pentagon and rove for trying to minimize losses as a way to show how supposedy they made bad decsions. When not 6 months ago you and most libby's where talking about the death toll. It seams to me you are grabbing at both ends of the stick.

Rumsfield was the path of least resistance for the anitwar movement and he is the only one they got traction in trying to get anyone out of office. It is quite disturbing that our own people would hang folks that are trying to help this country and just becasue of politics.

Anyway you say iraq is a failure and all they have are a few election to show for it. But you seem to either not be informed or choose not to be informed on all the happenings that are iraq. Good and BAd. For you to say that all the good that has happend in iraq is the election is irrosponsible.... and whenever you speek to someone who is impreshinable and you spew this ignorence it is really a diservice to our country and to that person.

anyway i guess you cant teach an old dog new tricks. I hope it doesn't seem that i am tryinig to pass judment. But you said it yourself victory is our goal and that is what this administration wants aswell.

You guys make it seem that it was a sinister plan to invade iraq and fail intentionaly"not that we are failing". but you have to admit overall this campaign has been more of a succes then a failure. There economy is booming, there schools are open and full of books that dont teach hate but tolerence. Women sufrage has been established for the first time in a middle eastern country. And that is just the first 3 years. and there are countless good things happening that aren't even hitting the press. Yes there is violence but anywhere you go there is violence.

I don't think I was clear earlier and I apologize. I do think they are stirring shit and I do not think they agree with the democrats in this country. All I'm saying is that they are stirring shit with the same rhetoric that democrats use.

For example who said the following: "Under President Bush, 5.2 million more Americans have joined the ranks of the uninsured...45 million Americans have no health insurance." And: "One percent of the total population is n prisons, and 45 million people don't have health care coverage."

Answer: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Nancy Pelosi. Any idea which quote belongs to whom?

Regardless, sorry for the confusion.

I believe the administration thought it would damage them politically sending 250,000 troops to Iraq and the casualties we would have taken to secure the county and borders. So they went cheap and are now paying the price. It wasn’t a conscious effort to lose; it was an unconscious effort to win from a military standpoint.

Rumsfeld had offered his resignation on three different occasions prior to the election.
“Our own people” didn’t hang Rumsfeld…Bush and Rove did. To accept his resignation would have been to admit a policy failure, which would have been political suicide for the Republicans in 04 and 06.

And what were the results of their election? A Shia based government which has established diplomatic relations with Syria, played “kissy face” with Iran, governs from the barrel of Al Sadr’s guns and claimed Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization. Was that what we wanted?

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This statement is more poignant than you meant it to be. The powers that be learned nothing during the prosecution of this war and plodded on with the same old strategy despite its failures.

The administration didn’t plan to fail; they just lacked the foresight to win. They felt it would be a “Slam Dunk” and didn’t anticipate the problems that occurred.

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Good point Marsh.There is probably a lot of truth in this statement. They knew they had no chance in a toe-to-toe battle with us, but felt they could win a war of attrition.

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I guess i did misunderstand and I'm sorry. I am a democrat, and I find this disturbing too. Imo they are trying to cause a further rift between dems and repubs. and it appears to be working. There are some who have consistantly compared the dems agenda with these freaks. And I think it's funny that they continually bring up OUR elections, when the record shows it was MODERATE dems who won. I think this proves that the American people want to start working together to get our problems solved.

In the end I think there are some that actually see the dems as the enemy, when in fact IMHO I think we all want the same thing. We want a solution to the problems in Iraq (I personally do not think winning is beyond our reach), we want to get OBL, and we want to keep Americans safe.

You are quite correct that in believing that some reps view the dems as the enemy, but some dems think the same of republicans. Such as the following quote from Joe Biden in '05:"I believe the Administration deliberately chose to take the worst-case scenario...and weave it into a whole cloth to convince the American people that Saddam Hussein either had or was on the verge of (having) nuclear weapons which he was nowhere near."

To include the word "deliberately" colors this quote just as we have been talking about. The President (regardless of party) has to make decisions based on the information he has. If one wants to say the President made lousy decisions and you disagree with them is one thing. To say he did this "deliberately" implies many things in the imagination that require clarification is quite another. In this case the burden of proof is on Mr. Biden to show deliberateness (if that's word). If he cannot then at least admit his irresponsibilty. The same goes for republicans. We as voters need to hold them accountable. The point of all this clap-trap is to say that both parties can and should disagree on some matters, but NEED to go to bed at night knowing we're on the same side.

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