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12-23-2006, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by freedomlover
This is hilarious, really. Actually it's very sad. The left blames the right for this kind of crap (if we hadn't have gone into Iraq blah blah blah). The right blames the Dems, (if they would just shut up) and in my personal opinion, anyone who does fingers pointing when this guy spouts his crap, well then he wins now doesn't he?
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very convinent to take the high road now freedom....... Unfortunatly the dems have undermined our efforts in the wars following 911 and making everything politicle. The left has even undermined our president "commander in cheif" and you know what if this was 200 years when our founding fathers where around it would be called treason. And that is a fact.
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12-23-2006, 06:31 PM
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very convinent to take the high road now freedom....... Unfortunatly the dems have undermined our efforts in the wars following 911 and making everything politicle. The left has even undermined our president "commander in cheif" and you know what if this was 200 years when our founding fathers where around it would be called treason. And that is a fact.
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Might I remind you who has held total control of our government for the past 6 years Gix?
Blame the Democrats for the ineptness of the Neo-Cons vision of democracy in the Middle East, Rumsfeld’s policy of using just enough forces to lose and GWB’s persistence on staying the course.
The Democrats can’t be blamed for the blunders of a Republican held Congress and Whitehouse.
Who’s playing the blame game now Gix? Get your head out of the sand, this story is pre election rhetoric and very old news.
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12-23-2006, 07:24 PM
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"I would like to thank the DNC and all the libs for playing into these peoples hands."
>>>Sorry, Skippy, but Ayman al Zawahiri has been playing rope-a-dope with you Republican clownies for the last 5 years. Time to sit back and let the grown-ups take care of business for you.
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12-23-2006, 07:53 PM
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Might I remind you who has held total control of our government for the past 6 years Gix?
Blame the Democrats for the ineptness of the Neo-Cons vision of democracy in the Middle East, Rumsfeld’s policy of using just enough forces to lose and GWB’s persistence on staying the course.
The Democrats can’t be blamed for the blunders of a Republican held Congress and Whitehouse.
Who’s playing the blame game now Gix? Get your head out of the sand, this story is pre election rhetoric and very old news.
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Once again it's all GB's fault. isn't that right. Can you be atleast honest with yourself and say that this fight needs to be faught.
Saddam was taken out in 3 weeks. Looks like we had just the right forces by the way. and the country has been realitvly stable. Othere then the photo op attacks that the media is drawn to.
If bush had the cure for cancer you would spin that to make him look bad and to make yourself feal better
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12-23-2006, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by George O Well
"I would like to thank the DNC and all the libs for playing into these peoples hands."
>>>Sorry, Skippy, but Ayman al Zawahiri has been playing rope-a-dope with you Republican clownies for the last 5 years. Time to sit back and let the grown-ups take care of business for you.
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oh yeah people like yourself who hate american ideals. Oh yea we are saved. praise be to allah. And you know if you dems dont supposedly turns things around in iraq it will all be on you because you folks ran a capmaign of change will lead to victory.
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12-23-2006, 07:59 PM
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"oh yeah people like yourself who hate american ideals."
>>>Where do you get your material, Glen Beck?
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12-23-2006, 08:10 PM
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Once again it's all GB's fault. isn't that right. Can you be atleast honest with yourself and say that this fight needs to be faught.
Saddam was taken out in 3 weeks. Looks like we had just the right forces by the way. and the country has been realitvly stable. Othere then the photo op attacks that the media is drawn to.
If bush had the cure for cancer you would spin that to make him look bad and to make yourself feal better
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Yes, I will say the fight isn’t over and still needs to be fought.
But for you to blame the Democrats for the current situation is absurd.
As far as taking out Saddam, no problems there, the famed “Republican Guard” turned tail and ran just as they did in Desert Storm. We lacked the troops to secure the country and the borders and Saddam’s arsenal, which the majority of it is now being used by the insurgents to kill and maim our troops.
I believe this war was and is too politically driven. Let the Generals fight this war and keep the politicians out of it.
By the way, if GWB ever did find a cure for cancer that would indeed be a miracle…not the cure, but the fact that such an idiot had the competency to achieve such a task.
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12-23-2006, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by graybeard
Yes, I will say the fight isn’t over and still needs to be fought.
But for you to blame the Democrats for the current situation is absurd.
As far as taking out Saddam, no problems there, the famed “Republican Guard” turned tail and ran just as they did in Desert Storm. We lacked the troops to secure the country and the borders and Saddam’s arsenal, which the majority of it is now being used by the insurgents to kill and maim our troops.
I believe this war was and is too politically driven. Let the Generals fight this war and keep the politicians out of it.
By the way, if GWB ever did find a cure for cancer that would indeed be a miracle…not the cure, but the fact that such an idiot had the competency to achieve such a task.
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The war was politcly driven how so?. The war didn't become politcile till after the invasion. But maybee you see it otherwise i would like to hear this though. And as far as the generals that is what the bush administration has been doing and has stated that the generals make the calls. am i correct on the administrations stance on the generals.
And as far as the fight no matter what your politcle stance is you agree that we need to fight and we need to fight to win am i correct. I am just assuming your stance.
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12-23-2006, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gixaholic
very convinent to take the high road now freedom....... Unfortunatly the dems have undermined our efforts in the wars following 911 and making everything politicle. The left has even undermined our president "commander in cheif" and you know what if this was 200 years when our founding fathers where around it would be called treason. And that is a fact.
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It's not convenience, it's called "using your logic". You say the dems are guilty of feeding these people's ego's. Yet the republicans would be just as guilty, if they respond to these extremist view, by blaming the dems. IMO, these people have two goals, force America to give up their civil liberties, and cause enough civil unrest to cause us to turn on each other. Hmmmm, maybe their are getting exactly what they want.
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12-23-2006, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gixaholic
The war was politcly driven how so?. The war didn't become politcile till after the invasion. But maybee you see it otherwise i would like to hear this though. And as far as the generals that is what the bush administration has been doing and has stated that the generals make the calls. am i correct on the administrations stance on the generals.
And as far as the fight no matter what your politcle stance is you agree that we need to fight and we need to fight to win am i correct. I am just assuming your stance.
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If there is still a chance for victory...yes we should continue the fight, if for any reason, to stave off the prospects of a regional war and to stabilize the region.
As far as politics and the war, I think, if we had taken the fight to our enemies, this war would be over. But I believe that Rove and others were more concerned about the ramifications of the potential lose of life, would have on the Republicans hold on power since GWB was up for re-election just 19 months following the onset of the war. Had there been say 3000 killed in the first year, GWB’s presidency would have been in question and the overall agenda would have been lost. So they kept telling us we were winning, they kept telling us about the Iraqi elections and how much progress was being made in an effort to maintain power; all the while Iraq was slipping further and further in to civil war. Which is where we find ourselves today.
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