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Old 12-17-2006, 03:06 PM
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Well, I don't really think that "religion" is a shit theory, and since it is a more popular "theory" than evolution, it would make the best comparative study. The point of the Kansas board of education is that evolution was/is being presented as fact simply because the majority of scientist believe it. If that is the case, then "religion" is also a fact , because all the Christians believe it.
There is a difference I feel between teaching that science is a complex web of theories and not facts and teaching religion along side evolution, as points of view of equal merit. My view is that they are not so should not be taught as such.
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Old 12-17-2006, 03:31 PM
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There is a difference I feel between teaching that science is a complex web of theories and not facts and teaching religion along side evolution, as points of view of equal merit. My view is that they are not so should not be taught as such.
But you see, to me they both are of equal merit. Teaching our kids that there are only one set of rules does not allow them to expand their minds. It's short sighted. Both evolution and religion require a certain amount of "faith". Christians have faith that their religion is true and evolutionists have faith that it will eventually be proven.
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:17 PM
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You are the biggest bigot on this forum. Congrats you hatred for Christians puts you right up there with the likes of the KKK, Hitler, Hussein, and other hate filled people. Hope you are happy


"""""How would the above person have any relationship to the KKK, Hitler,Hussein or any other hate filled people, he only respects the scientific
and sensible approach to life as compared to the religious approach, I feel
the same way, and I detest KKK,Hitler,Hussein. Name calling is a immature
way of trying to make a point."""""

Everything he said is true, and sensible, but all people are free to believe
whatever they want, including you.
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Old 12-18-2006, 12:01 AM
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You are the biggest bigot on this forum. Congrats you hatred for Christians puts you right up there with the likes of the KKK, Hitler, Hussein, and other hate filled people. Hope you are happy


"""""How would the above person have any relationship to the KKK, Hitler,Hussein or any other hate filled people, he only respects the scientific
and sensible approach to life as compared to the religious approach, I feel
the same way, and I detest KKK,Hitler,Hussein. Name calling is a immature
way of trying to make a point."""""

Everything he said is true, and sensible, but all people are free to believe
whatever they want, including you.
I have no problem with his beliefs such as they are, my problem come from his non-stop attacks and hatred he exibits towards Christians, that is why the comparisons were made. It is his hatred not his beliefs.
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:25 AM
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You might not believe this but I like knowing how things work and why we think about the world the way we do. For instance, my understanding of how science works is that some guy observes something in nature which he cannot readily explain. He takes the time to consider the whys and the wherefores, he might even test his thinking about it and finally he comes up with a tentative explanation about how it works. Then more people get in on the act, making observations, running their own tests, and before you know it the scientific community comes out with a hypothesis about just how this particular thing works. Over the years someone else might make so different observations and the hypothesis is adjusted ....and on it goes until virtual unanimity is reached among scientists. The next thing we know kids in school are learning about gravity and 32 feet per second per second, or
some such thing, and before we know it we have an educated population.

Observsations about religion are a little different...I'm speaking mostly about western culture. What we have is writings ostensively from as long ago as three to four thousand years ago, as well as many stories passed on from father to son until they were finally written down. Over the centuries the stories are amassed and put into some order and kept in book form. Then about 1700 years ago the leaders of one group of humans decided that the writings needed to be organized and the 'bad' ones discarded and the ';good' ones kept-----and lo and behold we discover the BIBLE..

Then a funny thing happened. For a large part of humanity the words of some ignorant peasant held more importance for many people than the words of scientists after their years of study. But what is scary is that some of these people have gotten political power and we see the writings of the wandering nomads taking precedence over the ideas of the scientists.

The beauty of science is that it is constantly---dare I say it---evolving, while the words of religion were put down all those years ago and were not to be changed.

The Bible as we read it today is replete with miracles. But have you noticed that as more and more people became educated the number of miracles has fallen off---so that most of the miracles today are wrought in the scientist's laboratory.

As a social organization I have no quarrel with the church---or even serving as psychiatric clinic. Church might be a great place to get together and visit with your friends and neighbors, but what ever gave therse people the idea that they were qualified to comment on the orkings of science?

Now in the good old days, they could summon a council of all the Bishops and decide on simple matters---simple things like the relationship of Christ to God or the son to the father, take a vote and then have the Emperor proclaim a new creed that was binding throughout the empire. ,.,.,.,and if anyone disagreed, execution was the proper fate f heretics. I suspect that the members of the board of education in Kansas had just that idea. Fortunately they did not have the emperial power. I guess we can thank God for that!
Why do you trust in science? Most of it is theory and most scientists will tell you haven't touched the surface of whats really out there. Maybe science hasn't figured it a way to measure spirituality. I don't like religious institutions but am very spiritual. Your blindness will costs you a lot of joy and peace throughout your life, especially as you get older and those materialistic things no longer excite you.
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Old 12-18-2006, 02:48 AM
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From wikipedia....
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Scientific theory,
In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it can in everyday speech. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from and/or is supported by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations that is predictive, logical and testable. In principle, scientific theories are always tentative, and subject to corrections or inclusion in a yet wider theory. Commonly, a large number of more specific hypotheses may be logically bound together by just one or two theories. As a general rule for use of the term, theories tend to deal with much broader sets of universals than do hypotheses, which ordinarily deal with much more specific sets of phenomena or specific applications of a theory.
I do not get this theory of Bible vs. scientific theory.
I do not get this this small minded division between spirit & the spirit of seeking knowledge.
I do not get this ownership of spirit in the old school text of the traditional theology.
I do not get that no one understands spirit resides in each & every one of us.
I do not understand why people spend sooo much time arguing over the tools of searching for knowledge & do not understand that ALL is a tapestry for seeing the wholeness of things.

& I especially do not understand how fact becomes the purveyor for spiritual understanding when in REALITY God & TRUTH cannot be owned by external fact but by personal experience & ironically it is not separate from the pursuit of scientific theory.

I do not understand why so many do not get this...

It's so obvious.
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