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Old 11-08-2006, 08:35 PM
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The news conference Bush had today about 'working with Democrats' was insincere at best. This president and his staff has a very short memory. He mentioned now he will be working with the Democrats to make things happen...

DAMN IT, THAT IS WHY REPUBLICANS LOST LAST NIGHT. YOU, MY FRIEND ARE RESPONSIBLE; YOUR ADMINISTRATION WAS NOT WORKING WITH MODERATES AND DEMOCRATS, YOU HAD PUSHED GOOD MODERATE REPS OUT OF WASHINGTON AND ARE NOT EVEN LISTENING TO YOUR OWN REPUBLICANS WHO NOW ARE OPPOSED TO YOUR POLICIES!
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Old 11-08-2006, 11:12 PM
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The media bias that is attepting to be imposed as a viable idea on here..

Hint (it's not real)

The math

Boy, lots of the reporting we all in the media were doing in the last few weeks sure seems a lot more accurate than the conservative spin that was out there, huh?

I'm not denying that the media as a whole could stand to consider conservative arguments more (just as it could probably cover minorities more)…

But certain things are just facts. When I went to Ohio a week ago to talk to voters there the Republicans we spoke to were dispirited, and many were considering voting for the Democrats. That was borne out yesterday, but at the time I was hammered for liberal bias.

Or you can look at Karl Rove's pre-election spat with National Public Radio's Robert Siegel.

SIEGEL: We're in the home stretch, though, and many would consider you on the optimistic end of realism about -
ROVE: Not that you would be exhibiting a bias ...
SIEGEL: I'm looking at all the same polls that you're looking at every day.
ROVE: No, you're not. No, you're not.
SIEGEL: No, I'm not.
ROVE: No, you're not. You're not. I'm looking at 68 polls a week. You may be looking at four or five public polls a week that talk about attitudes nationally but that do not impact the outcome of -
SIEGEL: I'm looking at main races between - certainly Senate races.
ROVE: Well, like the poll today showing that Corker's ahead in Tennessee, or the poll showing that Allen is pulling away in the Virginia Senate race.
SIEGEL: Leading Webb in Virginia, yeah.
Mr. ROVE: Exactly.
SIEGEL: But you've seen the DeWine race and the Santorum race - I don't want to have you call races.
ROVE: Yeah, I'm looking at all these, Robert, and adding them up, and I add up to a Republican Senate and Republican House. You may end up with a different math, but you're entitled to your math, I'm entitled to THE math.
SIEGEL: Well, I don't know if we're entitled to our different math, but you're certainly -
ROVE: I said THE math. I said you're entitled to yours.
Uh-huh.
What, pray tell, is "THE math"?
Or George Stephanopoulos's assertion after the Foley scandal that Speaker Dennis Hastert would not be leading Republicans after this election -- this just in, Hastert has told fellow GOP lawmakers he will not run for minority leader when Democrats take control of the House.
There are legitimate conservative arguments to make about the media. But not every time someone reports something that doesn't bode well for Republicans is it bias. Sometimes it's called: reality.

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Old 11-08-2006, 11:17 PM
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Rove's mismanagement of the voter base and his fear and anger tactics finally ran theri course. Done...bye Mr Rove...your day is done.
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Old 11-09-2006, 10:54 AM
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The news conference Bush had today about 'working with Democrats' was insincere at best. This president and his staff has a very short memory. He mentioned now he will be working with the Democrats to make things happen...

DAMN IT, THAT IS WHY REPUBLICANS LOST LAST NIGHT. YOU, MY FRIEND ARE RESPONSIBLE; YOUR ADMINISTRATION WAS NOT WORKING WITH MODERATES AND DEMOCRATS, YOU HAD PUSHED GOOD MODERATE REPS OUT OF WASHINGTON AND ARE NOT EVEN LISTENING TO YOUR OWN REPUBLICANS WHO NOW ARE OPPOSED TO YOUR POLICIES!

I really don't think the Bushies will be able to get away with trying to push Pelosi out of the way. They are better off not even contemplating it.
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:03 AM
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The news conference Bush had today about 'working with Democrats' was insincere at best. This president and his staff has a very short memory. He mentioned now he will be working with the Democrats to make things happen...

DAMN IT, THAT IS WHY REPUBLICANS LOST LAST NIGHT. YOU, MY FRIEND ARE RESPONSIBLE; YOUR ADMINISTRATION WAS NOT WORKING WITH MODERATES AND DEMOCRATS, YOU HAD PUSHED GOOD MODERATE REPS OUT OF WASHINGTON AND ARE NOT EVEN LISTENING TO YOUR OWN REPUBLICANS WHO NOW ARE OPPOSED TO YOUR POLICIES!
Agreed but there is a misconception here that believes the democrats are willing to work with the republicans. The left's leadership (Pelosi and Reid) is no more sincere when they say they are willing to work with republicans or the president. They weren't willing on Monday so I see no reason they would change.

I am curious now to see if the leadership is willing to take heat for the Iraq mess once they start "controlling" what's going on there. They can't direct it and not accept the responibility.
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Agreed but there is a misconception here that believes the democrats are willing to work with the republicans. The left's leadership (Pelosi and Reid) is no more sincere when they say they are willing to work with republicans or the president. They weren't willing on Monday so I see no reason they would change.

I am curious now to see if the leadership is willing to take heat for the Iraq mess once they start "controlling" what's going on there. They can't direct it and not accept the responibility.
I don't know,it doesn't take a political expert to see,the American people are in no mood for politics as usual both sides see that getting nothing done in the next two years could be suicide in 08 to the party preceived as causing greed lock!
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Old 11-09-2006, 05:13 PM
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Agreed but there is a misconception here that believes the democrats are willing to work with the republicans. The left's leadership (Pelosi and Reid) is no more sincere when they say they are willing to work with republicans or the president. They weren't willing on Monday so I see no reason they would change.

I am curious now to see if the leadership is willing to take heat for the Iraq mess once they start "controlling" what's going on there. They can't direct it and not accept the responibility.
Not to worry, my skeptiscizm of Pelosi and Reid is high. They will need to work hard from their side to make this happen. I only addressed the right in what I said but the left will needs to make comprimises themselves.
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Old 11-09-2006, 05:38 PM
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The news conference Bush had today about 'working with Democrats' was insincere at best. This president and his staff has a very short memory. He mentioned now he will be working with the Democrats to make things happen...

DAMN IT, THAT IS WHY REPUBLICANS LOST LAST NIGHT. YOU, MY FRIEND ARE RESPONSIBLE; YOUR ADMINISTRATION WAS NOT WORKING WITH MODERATES AND DEMOCRATS, YOU HAD PUSHED GOOD MODERATE REPS OUT OF WASHINGTON AND ARE NOT EVEN LISTENING TO YOUR OWN REPUBLICANS WHO NOW ARE OPPOSED TO YOUR POLICIES!
Oh? I believe it had more to do with the fact that Independents and some Republicans got fed up with NO ONE working with ANYONE for the sake of Americans; NOT that we favored the Democrat policy over the Republican policy. Only Democrats do that. Check any non Dem analysis of the election and I think you'll find that there was greater % of Independent votes cast than normal and that's what cost the Republicans. If people had thought they could vote both parties out I have no doubt they would have.

As I see it, the next two years will be wasted, just like that last two years were wasted with the same people demanding absolute power that demanded it before. That's what has stunted this nation and made it more vulnerable than it's been since the day before Pearl Harbor. And don't think others aren't noticing that vulnerability either.
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Old 11-09-2006, 07:16 PM
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Oh? I believe it had more to do with the fact that Independents and some Republicans got fed up with NO ONE working with ANYONE for the sake of Americans; NOT that we favored the Democrat policy over the Republican policy. Only Democrats do that. Check any non Dem analysis of the election and I think you'll find that there was greater % of Independent votes cast than normal and that's what cost the Republicans. If people had thought they could vote both parties out I have no doubt they would have.

As I see it, the next two years will be wasted, just like that last two years were wasted with the same people demanding absolute power that demanded it before. That's what has stunted this nation and made it more vulnerable than it's been since the day before Pearl Harbor. And don't think others aren't noticing that vulnerability either.
Overall I do not disagree with you, but the point I was making was about the rhetoric and approach that Bush has had with the MANDATE and POLITICAL CAPITAL he and his Neo con ilk so closely cherished and abused since 2004. Yes, Democrats have to work with the other side and the other post I presented does say that. The hypocrisy of Bush having to be soundly defeated, regardless of whom it came from, and him not listening to the chants over and over about his approval rating. Those were fact that cannot be denied. Rove was in great denial about this and it all finally had to materialize into REAL voters casting REAL votes.

I will agree with you here: the votes that decide an election come from the middle and the exit polls you get your information from are saying that. Indep and his own Rep voters down the middle got pissed off, yes; he LOST that election and he and the Neo cons played it completely wrong (it is not necessarily a DEM win).

a side note...

I heard the silly audio clips of Rush Limbaugh and his mea culpa about the whole debacle for the Reps. S***, you would think Rush has turned Libertarian or something. What an a**hole this guy is, this guy kept going on and on about 'real conservative' values not being followed while last week he was defending the party to the last damn man on these same values. Does Rush even know these values...even if they bit him in the ass? Talk about people pointing fingers at who to blame...he did nothing to help the cause that is for sure.
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Old 11-09-2006, 07:22 PM
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I really don't think the Bushies will be able to get away with trying to push Pelosi out of the way. They are better off not even contemplating it.
I am not sure that can even be thought of at all...those who hold the gold make the rule and Pelosi holds the gold and the HOR...all the chairmanships go to her and the DEMS. There is NO avoiding that at all, the administration very knows this...if they don't then they have been asleep for 12 years.
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