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Old 11-08-2006, 09:46 AM
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You are exactly right in that the independents handed the victory to the Democrats, but the independents are not n the same page as Pelosi. What the Republicans failed to do was to educate the voters about people like Pelosi and Rangel. What do you think midwestern independents and Democrats think of things like partial birth abortion being OK? Or not allowing hospitals to report illegal immigrants who receive treatment? Those are just a couple of the policies of Pelosi which they would not be favorable to. Rangel doesn't think ANY of the tax cuts are valid. That means even the marriage penalty is brought back. I'll bet you that those midwestern independents are not in favor of that. The question is whther or not the newcomers will vote how they told their constituents or how the far left of the Democratic Party votes.

Throughout the midwest Democrats who are conservative were voted in. In Indiana a pro-war Democrat won over an anti-war Republican. In Pennsylvania a pro-life Democrat won the Senate versus a pro-choice Republican. In both Indiana and North Carolina Democrats were voted in who have much more in common with moderate Republicans than the Democratic base.

The Democratic Party was able to win so big in the midwest because of a lack in confidence in Bush as well as a new trend in the Democratic Party in recent years and that was running moderates. If these moderates stances get hi-jacked in the next two years then look for some of that power to shift back. Bush won't be running and his influence on the election won't be as big as it was this time. What the Democrats need to do is to make sure that Pelosi and those like her don't screw it up for those moderates. Over half of America had no idea who Nancy Pelosi even was. They will now. I am not so sure that is a good thing for the Democrats.
I agree, this was a "Vote of Confidence" for GWB.. I would like to add, that by Independent Thinkers, the list contains the names of prominate Republicans, McCain, Warner and the like.
If the Democrats are wise...(stand by for Dizzy joke)...they will focus on the main issue in the vote's mind. Our government is already bogged down with Iraq, They need to focus on a true victory. I put my faith in GWB 4 years ago, pre-Iraq. I now put my hopes on new leadership, I can only hope for a different outcome.... Diz...?
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Old 11-08-2006, 09:53 AM
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It'll never happen. What will happen is for the next 2 years is nothing but investigations, independent councils, hearings and the rest of that bullshit. It will all be about 2008 and the Presidency. Guaranteed. You read it here first!
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:09 AM
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one party government is bad for We the People,the party in power and the party out of power,everyone needs to have a voice in government,which is what we now have,its win,win,situation!
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:10 AM
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It'll never happen. What will happen is for the next 2 years is nothing but investigations, independent councils, hearings and the rest of that bullshit. It will all be about 2008 and the Presidency. Guaranteed. You read it here first!
I agree only with the 2008 comment...what a better gift to hand to a prospective Presidential candidate...either party, than major progress in Iraq.
Works for both sides.
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:32 AM
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Mmmm… You know what’s scary?… how so many have bought into the Rove Rhetoric and how divided we find ourselves. Independents handed the victory to the Democrats. The Senate could go either way. And now it appears Joe Liberman will be the most courted Senator on the floor. “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated”(Mark Twain)
For now, the Independent thinkers have the edge.
For over half of the thinking Americans, meaning those of us who vote, yesterday was a glimmer of optimism, what’s so scary about that?
Yes, the independents (and many wayward libertarians) handed the democrats the victory; it is hollow, as we are now going to see what they can do with power. The dems are on the clock right now. It wasn't a love the democrats type of vote, for many libertarians understand that the dems are just socialists in sheeps clothing....

If they as so much talk about raising taxes, setting price controls on anything, instituting STRICTER gun control, etc...., oh, it'll be on in a couple of years, and this libertarian, along with millions of others, will definately go the opposite direction.

If the dems even show a hint of being anti-capitalist and big government, their a**es will shown the door just as quick
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:32 AM
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Those who enjoy the shooting sports. Heads up. Queen bee Nancy has said for years that she wants to bring back the AW Ban. I ordered two more Yugo underfolders from Century yesterday. Looks like I just doubled my money.
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Old 11-08-2006, 10:41 AM
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Yea this is what the dreaded Pelosi stands for??????? A clear message that the GOP failed at forwarding to the some rep's and independents.

Nancy Pelosi, House Dem leader, will champion her immoral, criminal issues:
Pelosi: Abortion votes per On The Issues:
Voted YES on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005)
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on funding for health providers who don't provide abortion info. (Sep 2002)
Voted NO on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad. (May 2001)
Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortions. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Rated 100% by NARAL, indicating a pro-choice voting record. (Dec 2003)
Supported funding contraception and UN family planning. (Jul 1999)
Pelosi: Rights votes per On The Issues:
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
Constitutional Amendment for equal rights by gender. (Mar 2001)
Rated 87% by the ACLU, indicating a pro-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Pelosi: Drugs votes per On The Issues:
Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism. (Sep 2001)
Voted NO on prohibiting needle exchange & medical marijuana in DC. (Oct 1999)
Voted NO on subjecting federal employees to random drug tests. (Sep 1998)
Pelosi: Family and Child votes per On The Issues:
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
Pelosi: Gun Control votes per On The Issues:
Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)
Pelosi: Immigration votes per On The Issues:
Voted NO on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
Rated 0% by FAIR, indicating a voting record loosening immigration. (Dec 2003)
Pelosi: Welfare and Poverty votes per On The Issues:
Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on treating religious organizations equally for tax breaks. (Jul 2001)
Voted NO on responsible fatherhood via faith-based organizations. (Nov 1999)
Pelosi: Stem cell research position per On The Issues:
YES on allowing human embryonic stem cell research
Pelosi: Gay marriage position per On The Issues:
NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage
Pelosi: Religious expression position per On The Issues:
Opposes requiring schools to allow school prayer
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record
NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror

Visit: On The Issues: Nancy Pelosi

URGGG!!!
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Wow that is going to be a tough sell to most centrist and moderate voters. We will be back
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Old 11-08-2006, 03:23 PM
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Renewing the Contract
By Philip Klein
Published 11/8/2006 12:09:29 AM
Those conservatives who are waking up dispirited about the Democratic Party's takeover of the House and its gains in the Senate would be wise to think back to a Wednesday two years ago.

On the morning of November 3, 2004, conservatives were euphoric as President Bush was re-elected comfortably and the GOP gained seats in the House and Senate -- knocking off Tom Daschle in the process. Republicans began to talk in terms of being a permanent majority. The Democrats, meanwhile, were demoralized -- seemingly destined for political irrelevance.

A lot has changed in two years, and a lot will change between now and November 4, 2008 -- when Americans go to the polls to elect President Bush's successor. Rather than seeing Tuesday's defeat as a crisis, Republicans should look at it as an opportunity to rehabilitate the party in time for that crucial election.

In assessing last night's results it is important to note that it was not a defeat for conservatism; it was a defeat for Republicanism, or at least, what Republicanism has come to represent. In the past 12 years, Republicans went from the party that promised "the end of government that is too big, too intrusive, and too easy with the public's money" to the party of the Bridge to Nowhere; it took control of Congress on a pledge to "end its cycle of scandal and disgrace" and went down in defeat as the party of Tom DeLay and Mark Foley.

Having abandoned its core principles, the Republican Party had nothing to run on this year, so its campaign strategy centered on attacking Nancy Pelosi -- a questionable tactic given that, according to some polls, more than half of the country had never even heard of her.

Republican strategists who projected optimism over the past few months cited as reasons for their confidence: fundraising, incumbency advantage, gerrymandering and new innovations such as "microtargeting." But as this election made perfectly clear, none of this can bail out a party that is bereft of ideas.

We will hear a lot of reasons for why Republicans lost this year. We will hear that they lost because of an unpopular war, an unpopular president, a culture of corruption, a traditional anti-incumbent six-year itch and a dispirited base. But one thing is for sure. Republicans did not lose on a platform of limiting the size and scope of government.

Just as this election wasn't a defeat for conservatism, it wasn't a victory for liberalism. Democrats intentionally avoided a publicized "Contract With America"-style platform advancing a progressive agenda in favor of making the campaign a referendum on President Bush. The closest thing they had to a platform, "A New Direction for America," was not a sweeping ideological document, but a laundry list of initiatives such as making college tuition tax-deductible, raising the minimum wage, and negotiating drug prices. Though a Democratic majority will likely roll back President Bush's tax cuts, they didn't advertise that in the "fiscal discipline" section of their platform. (It is a testament to how enamored Republicans became with big government that they enabled Democrats to run as the party of fiscal discipline.)

After controlling the House of Representatives for the last 12 years and the White House for the last six, a lot of pent up anger developed toward Republicans. If the GOP had to lose an election as a result of this sentiment, better this year than in 2008, when Americans will choose who will lead the War on Terror into the next decade.

The Democratic Party will take power in January. Either they'll demonstrate to Americans that they have no governing philosophy, or they'll play to their anti-war base by pushing for a premature withdrawal from Iraq and go overboard with investigations of President Bush.

While the exposure of the Democratic Party during the next two years will help Republicans, the GOP should not head into the next election thinking that running against Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton will ensure victory. Instead, the Republicans need to differentiate themselves by returning to their small government roots and once again becoming the party of ideas.

In 1994, Republicans swept into power by signing a contract with America. That contract has been breached, and unless they want to lose the big prize in 2008, it's time for that pact to be renewed.


Philip Klein is a reporter for The American Spectator.
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Kix, well all we can do is keep the faith and hope the voters realise what they did to this great country.
What they did last night was "realize" what your party had done to this country for the last six years and voted your asses OUT. And now one of the most hated females ever to sit in the house is your new and first female Speaker of the House. Chicken little... the sky is falling.
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