[quote=crowonapost;55931]I have no problem with free market economic systems. That's the point of bid contracts so you can get the best deal to get a job done. What I have a huge problem with is a company, any company that fleeces our tax dollars for Billions of dollars, uses our citizen soldiers on the cheap & does nothing to rebuild the infrastructure of the society that we liberated. Any business that runs that bad is well bad business.

It is likely a little more complicated than you think. You base everything on the assumption that anything done by a Republican president must have been done with malevolent intent. You say Haliburton was awarded no bid contracts. What seems more likely to me is that the government put out a notice that they would be needing a company to do a certain set of jobs, and that they wanted one company to be able to take on a very large and diverse task. Perhapse Haliburton was the only company large enough and with its hands in enough different businesses and industries to take on a task like the one that was put before them. Or maybe there were a couple others but they couldnt bid because of current commitments, or perhapse they couldnt do the job cheaper than Haliburton. I know that must sound crazy to somebody like you that a big evil corporation could be involved in something and that just maybe nothing sinister happened. I wasnt involved in the negotiations between Haliburton and the government of the United States, so I cant say what happened. What I can tell you is that I have worked for the government before, and they just arent as evil as you imagine. Inefficient perhapse, but that is the nature of the system. All I am saying is why do Democrats always assume the worst about America, and Americans?

Crowonapost said: The reason there are 'insurgents' attacking the American interests is quite simply they waited a year after the occupation for the US to rebuild. Haliburton just stole from the country & didn't help rebuild the Iraqi infrastructure & did not allow any other company to bid in an open free market system to do the proper job. So Duh the people revolt against the occupation.


Can you prove any of this, or is this just more of the same rhetoric that I addressed in my last post?

Crowonapost said: Again making money is great no one is 'crying about it' How about in the future you guys stop complaining about your taxes because right now that's how halliburton is making their money. Stealing our tax dollars, not making a product or a service.....Were you got the, I can only guess as mental lib fantasy projection 'socialist country' crap in what I said is way beyond me.

Crow on a post also said this: When that tool is used by an administration to create preemptive wars that are HORRIBLY botched. That use no bid contracting, war profiteering, use our soldiers to guard Halliburtan subsidiaries who make $100,000 a year while these soldiers make nothing, that I find it criminally worthy of anger.

You clearly state in your previous post that you have a problem with how much money certain employees of Haliburton make. All I said was that any company can pay its employees whatever it deems their work to be worth, and since our nation does not have a socialist government, this sort of thing isnt against the law, so stop bitching about it. Furthermore, soldiers dont make "nothing". Keep in mind as well that every single member of the US armed forces volunteered to do what they are doing, and part of the contract they signed says that they will follow all orders written or verbal. If the guys in charge of rebuilding Iraq decide that they want protection from terrorists while they work, and the generals in charge of the American military presence agree, than you have all the necessary hand shakes in place that will cause American soldiers to gaurd American civilians working to repair oil pipelines and power grids, water systems etc.... Again.... why is this wrong??

Crowonapost said: You want to throw crap like a monkey about Liberals loathing the armed services when it is your rampant ignorance & stupidity for making such an infantile statement thats the most 'classically ignorant commentary on your parties mentality today, go ahead. I dare say while you may wear a yellow ribbon & say Yaay soldiers they are having to pay for their own ticket to get back home, after 2 to 3 tours of duty that they didn't have a choice to be put back into. In an Illegal war that had nothing to do with the War On Terror. & you back this stupidity & say you support the soldiers & Liberals loath them.
May you live in interesting times....


Your right, looking back on the post I cannot possibly see what about it made me think your venomous attack on people who choose to broadcast their support for the armed services might have also been directed at me. I mean you clearly made a general statement while using words like "YOU" and "YOUR". Those are words commonly used to identify a large groups of people correct? Excuse me for my foolishness.

also, anybody who had to pay for a ticket back only did so because they were either dishonorably discharged while overseas, OR they were going on leave. The only transportation the military guarantees you is to your first duty station, and to each subsequent station, and finally to your home of record. (unless you fail to fulfill your part of the contract, than they wont fulfill their end either.)

Crowonapost said: Well maybe you are a stupid Desert Storm Vet with your degree from Devry. I don't know.
I happen to know a lot of Intelligent Desert Storm Vets & they see the difference between false arguments & real people being used for an illegal war & not being taken care of.


Capitalist pig said: Again with the constant attempts to belittle the education of anybody who did not go to a major university. You really are an elitist no matter how venomous your denunciation of the statement. What your saying is, (I'm not saying the soldiers are stupid, I know several of them who agree with me, I'm just saying all of the soldiers who went to community college and who disagree with me are stupid, understand idiot soldier?)


Crowonapost said: I do not even understand your reference. You must be having a conversation with yourself.
I do not care where a U. S. citizen comes from or where their education is all who join the armed forces are fellow Americans. Some are stupid, like some Americans. Some are brilliant like some Americans. Most are somewhere between like most Americans but all have a great beauty & light within them because we are all interesting, fascinating people.


This was the sequence..... I'm not really sure what about my statement that you didnt understand........ You implied that anybody with a degree from devry must be an idiot. I pointed out your elitism, and you responded as if you didnt know what you had written in the first place that I was responding to. Maybe me putting it all together in this easy to follow guide will bring it home for you.

Crowonapost said: If you wish to call me elitist then fine I'm elitist I'll take that honor. It's nice to know that a midwestern hillbilly trailer park trash can be perceived as mentally superior to you. You said it. I didn't. I'll take it.
I am the enlightened Elitist bow before me you little people....
Again I don't get your reference....I never thought anything negative of the Navy. Never singled it out & I have no idea who you are ranting to. If it was meant for someone else forgive me for intruding, honestly.

Just because I said you were an elitist, doesnt mean I think you are mentally superior to me ass, it only means that you THINK you are mentally superior to anyone who disagrees with you. As far as the navy comment that I made, you are right I was trying to preempt you. Liberals are always telling us which branches of service count as service, and who can be considered to have served with honor. George Bush joined the national guard and did his time, but apparently that wasnt good enough. Liberals insulted the entire national guard when they claimed that Bush's service wasnt "real" service. So I expected the same from you when I mentioned my naval service, and I just wanted to preemptively defuse any attempt you might have made to demean my contribution. If you had no such intention, than ignore it, it wasnt meant for you.

Crowonapost, What about the fact that Haliburton was given a no bid contract to work in Kosovo? This was un Clinton and Dom1 posted this info in another thread. Do you care to eloborate why it is ok for a Democrat to do this and a Republican?

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We all know what Kerry really meant with his joke, he was goofing on the fact that if your parents can't afford to send you to college and you have no grants or scholarships, guess how you pay for school???

You can stop with the damage control Spitty because no one bought it when he shoveled it and we’re not buying it now. He said exactly what he meant and it’s not the first time he’s done this. He has a bad habit of letting his self-proclaimed superiority slip. So how many more times are you folks going to cover for him before you finally realize he's a bad egg?

So lets break this down.


That's your projection of the evil Commi Liberal. Sorry I have no problem with what ever party an active president is. I may have serious problems with how they implement their policies regardless of 'party'. This president whom happens to be a republican i have so very real & grounded problems with.

Again with your preemptive arguments.
I do not think the government is evil. I think it is made of people. They are not inherently good nor bad. It's based on the actions of those individuals that ultimately manifests the nature of that government.
I may go so far as to say it's been historically Republicans who hate government. So when they got complete control of it they manifested that hatred by gutting & stealing everything they could. Duke Cunningham, Jack Abramoff et all.
Government in the United States seems to reflect the mentality of the people in charge & today people seem to be rather vitriolic & hateful to all 'others' as apposed to finding common ground in the compromise that becomes the will of the people.

Accountability & rule of law. Any person in the government that follows that I have nothing but praise for. Any that don't well they deserve criticism. Regardless of party.

Yes I can. Read this article.

http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html



I have a problem with hiring outside workers when the workers there are desperate for work. Obviously the way to a lasting peace is giving people work, stability & the ability to have hope. You can't do that when you slap them in the face with foreigners driving trucks taking away your natural resources & you have nothing. One starts to get angry then wants to blow things up....
Kinda basic human psychology.

True Soldiers do make some money & there are real incentives for volunteering for the armed forces.
I think it's just sad that they watch private contractors whom make tuns of money wearing unmarked military uniforms CACI and Titan, while they are used to protect these Corporations read (Private contractors) fleecing the local people.

because those civilians are not.

Example again this article.

http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html

Example of the botched Halliburton performance.

http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/story.asp?ID=1032

Well if you are going to make preemptive generalized statements about Liberals I guess I can do the same about Republicans. I won't generalize you if you don't generalize me for having Liberal ideas.

Fair I looked it up & I am ill informed. I concede your point.

I thought I was speaking to Scooby Doo
The way he presented his schooling sounded so cynically dripping with sarcasm I thought it only appropriate to respond in kind. By the way I thought his response to my cynical Devry statement was funny & I said so.
I like a good joke, even if it's at my expense.

Well um that's self evident. The point is to play off of your stereotyping me so I play the role of the guy who thinks hes superior to you in his own mind. To follow this train of logic as if it's real or relevant only points to the fact that I think A. it's a projection issue. (I think that's how you think of others) & B
you take yourself way too seriously.
As exemplified in your last part of this post...



Your vitriol, anger & self righteousness are equally apparent in that post. You take an argument that didn't even exist personally, go off on a self justification tangent & then call me an asshole. Wow fascinating one way conversation with yourself & the imaginary evil liberal.

As far as Bush & the national Guard. I can say he made a fool of the national guard. That doesn't mean I think the men & women who make up the Guard are foolish. It would be like saying Bush went to Yale all students of Yale are equally C student trust fund baby idiot's. No Just Dubbya.

Reference,
http://www.awolbush.com/

Peace Capitalist Pig.


Sure Rob it was a success.

If Iraq was a success we wouldn't be talking about these horrendous failures & the WAY too close ties between Cheney, Halliburton & the Iraq fiasco.

If Clinton were a republican & used Halliburton in Kosovo I would still say Great. Because it was a success.
I don't care if it was my daughters stuffed animal spots, if it worked it worked.

It hasn't in this scenario & that is worthy of deep analysis & concern.

Further reference & reading.
http://travel2.nytimes.com/2006/03/2...gqDro+KHLgW3ZA