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Old 09-18-2008, 05:46 PM
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McCain is just looking for a scapegoat. Someone to point the finger at.

He CAN'T point it at the Dems, 'cause he's been on the wrong side of this equation from day one.

So, he's choosing the nearest convenient Republican scapegoat, Chris Cox.

Politics is mostly SOooooo transparent.....
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Old 09-18-2008, 06:10 PM
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So the fact that Bush called for oversite of Fannie Mae and Mac in 2003 but the democrats refused to go along had absolutely nothing to do with this debacle? The fact that the mandate of the democrats was to give out loans to people who could not repay them had nothing to do with this?

My goodness you are just about the biggest dimbulb I have ever witnessed.

Tell me something. Do you like being a slave? Do you think you would like being able to work only where the government told you to work, to shop only where the government told you to shop, to drive only the cars the government told you to drive? That my hillbilly dear is regulation.

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First of all, wasn't the president a Republican, and both houses of Congress controlled by Republicans, with McCain being one of the more senior members of the Senate majority back in 2003??? I seem to recall the conservatives chortaling: "We won, you lost, we're in control!" back then, so very proud of themselves.

Second, can you connect the dots between Freddie and Fannie, and AIG, BearStearn, IndyMac, Merrill, Countrywide, a host of hedgefunds? It seems to me that Freddie and Fannie's sin was to loosen their underwriting standards to allow 10% down and backed variable rate mortgages, and didn't work to hard to audit the quality of the mortgages they were buying in terms of the appraisals, documentation, and such. On the other hand, the financial institutions in the news were extremely innovative, working very hard to make a profit from mortgages that were certain to fail, even if real estate prices didn't fall. How can a three year variable rate interest only loan with a teaser 0% rate to allow paying the fees that go to profit be anything other than a disaster? Freddie and Fannie weren't backing those loans, that job was left to the "capitalists" who made profit risking the capital of others with the expectation that if the economy collapsed, well, they would be sitting pretty no matter what.

The problem in 2003 is that Freddie and Fannie were shifting their profits to different years so they wouldn't look so profitable, expecting that the years 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 were freaks of an unsustainable refi market. Those profits were coming from homeowners refinancing from 8% variable rates to 5% fixed, which cut payments and reduced the risk of higher interest rates. That kind of activity make the loans safer, not riskier.
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blaming the republicans for creating it. blaming the democratic congress for not fixing it. hmmmmmm
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Old 09-19-2008, 04:17 PM
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Jaysus!!!!! this really is an asylum for the politically insane.....

Can't you assholes be HONEST enough to see that both parties have fucked the CITIZENRY of our Country until all we have is bloody assholes?

I saw that start (bigtime) 40 fucking years ago......
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:29 PM
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Yea , well eight years ago Phil Gramm had an amendment piggybacked onto the the appropriations bill. It basically forbade federal agencies to regulate financial derivatives the made it easy for for mortgage backed securities to be be given an easy pass and now we the tax payer will pay while a few in the private sector will profit. We are damned if we do and damned if we do not on this bailout.

This along with medicare part D legislation in 2003 that will cost taxpayers additional trillions that most do not even comprehend has taken us further into debt. This legislation forbade the HHRS from negotiating pharmaceutical prices for medicare and will cost U.S. tax payers trillions while again a few in the private sector will profit.

Mix in the trillion dollar war of deception to these two pieces of legislation and that is the beginning of a downward spiral.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:38 PM
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First off while it was once true that republicans wanted smaller goverment, less regulation, and fisccal responsablity. But now Under the new republican party. We have a larger goverment, more branches of the goverment, and More debt than people can wrap there minds around. And under republican rule we now own several corporations. Which means we have now become china. The republicans are not what they once stood for.

QFT. I no longer have a party. I held my nose and voted for Bush the second time around...and in return he oversees the largest increase in Federal Gov't oversite since the New Deal. I cannot do it again. So I face the making the choice between a Marxist with an Islamic background, or another big government Neo-Con.

The two party system is a sham. The differences that the candidates enjoy are there by design. The are reliant upon one another for there very existance....they ensure one anothers survival.

We're screwed either way.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:39 PM
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Yea , well eight years ago Phil Gramm had an amendment piggybacked onto the the appropriations bill. It basically forbade federal agencies to regulate financial derivatives the made it easy for for mortgage backed securities to be be given an easy pass and now we the tax payer will pay while a few in the private sector will profit. We are damned if we do and damned if we do not on this bailout.

This along with medicare part D legislation in 2003 that will cost taxpayers additional trillions that most do not even comprehend has taken us further into debt. This legislation forbade the HHRS from negotiating pharmaceutical prices for medicare and will cost U.S. tax payers trillions while again a few in the private sector will profit.

Mix in the trillion dollar war of deception to these two pieces of legislation and that is the beginning of a downward spiral.
How many trillions is that? I ran out of fingers.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:46 PM
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How many trillions is that? I ran out of fingers.
Well, you are still in luck as the estimates for the three are at about 8-9 although time will tell.

The bailouts are expected to run "about 1 trillion".

Over 10 years the medicare part d legislation is expected to cost tax payers in excess of 5 trillion and most more. That is a modest estimate by healthcare economist.

The Iraq quagmire is estimated between 2-3 trillion.

Lying, cheating, cronyism with borrow and spend policy and this is where we are.

Investing in BRIC economies is looking much more promising for the average investor...sad really.
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