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09-17-2008, 10:19 PM
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AYSM, I feel a bit insulted by your response here.........I thought we were trying to forge some common ground.
I'm not into killing ragheads for oil. Sorry, you didn't have me figured out that easily.
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My apologies JO...certainly no personal attack meant...it was meant to be more generic than you took it.
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09-17-2008, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
My apologies JO...certainly no personal attack meant...it was meant to be more generic than you took it.
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That's cool............
I've felt like finding common ground lately. I need some balance from all this campaign bullshit. I can't imagine as Americans we have nothing in common. I bet there is very little degree of separation actually.
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09-17-2008, 10:23 PM
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That's all the more reason to develop alternatives...oil is useful for so many more important things than carting our sorry asses around.
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Nope. Develop wind, geo-thermal, and nuclear to power our electrical grid and use oil for transportation. We would have no need to buy oil from anywhere and if we developed Shale oil, we could possibly become an exporter.
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09-17-2008, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoody Boo
Nope. Develop wind, geo-thermal, and nuclear to power our electrical grid and use oil for transportation. We would have no need to buy oil from anywhere and if we developed Shale oil, we could possibly become an exporter.
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So you have a problem with hydrogen?
The problem with our oil shale is that it is too deep for strip mining so we would have to use an in-situ process which has yet to be developed on commercially viable levels and it requires so damn much water...water that would yield more energy in the form of hydrogen.
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09-17-2008, 10:43 PM
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That's cool............
I've felt like finding common ground lately. I need some balance from all this campaign bullshit. I can't imagine as Americans we have nothing in common. I bet there is very little degree of separation actually.
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That's admirable JO...good luck with that...unfortunately we've had many years of divisive politics and roughly a third of the country is in one camp...another third is in another camp...and the rest of us are stuck in the middle which isn't a bad place to be as far as watching the show.
Funny thing though...generally speaking, out in the real world the divisions aren't that pronounced and most people are too busy getting along and trying to survive.
Hint: this is not really a good place to seek balance unless you can get to a point where you don't take it too seriously.
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09-17-2008, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?
So you have a problem with hydrogen?
The problem with our oil shale is that it is too deep for strip mining so we would have to use an in-situ process which has yet to be developed on commercially viable levels and it requires so damn much water...water that would yield more energy in the form of hydrogen.
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Shale development is commercially viable at $40 a barrel and probably for less than that once production gets started and the technology gets tweaked and the bugs get shaken out.
Hydrogen can be developed, but not at the expense or shelving of oil. We do not have the infrastructure to where hydrogen is as convenient as oil. Try driving cross country on hydrogen. Try living in very, very rural West Texas on hydrogen. I am talking rural, like a 3 hour bus ride to school, rural. What would you do about that.
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09-17-2008, 11:06 PM
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Shale development is commercially viable at $40 a barrel and probably for less than that once production gets started and the technology gets tweaked and the bugs get shaken out.
Hydrogen can be developed, but not at the expense or shelving of oil. We do not have the infrastructure to where hydrogen is as convenient as oil. Try driving cross country on hydrogen. Try living in very, very rural West Texas on hydrogen. I am talking rural, like a 3 hour bus ride to school, rural. What would you do about that.
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I have links to some shale oil studies that beg to differ...unfortunately I can't access them at the moment because they are under another user account on my computer (I opened a new account to get around some virus/malware problems)...actually, it might be easier to find them searching my name on here...I'll see what I can dig up.
As to the hydrogen argument, I bet the Native American Indians wish Christopher Columbus had your attitude.
Are you aware that there was an entire community back in the late 60's that ran on hydrogen...everything from the vehicles, the lawn mowers, everything right down to cooking on gas piped into house through existing pipes? If we really wanted to develop the infrastructure it could be done relatively practically.
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09-17-2008, 11:18 PM
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Scoody Boo,
Here's a bit on shale oil...
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/436663-post137.html
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IV. Table of advances
A. Advances that might be in commercial use by 2010
• None.
B. Advances that might be in commercial use by 2020
• Improved methods of shale remediation.
• Innovative surface retort architecture and chemistry.
• Pilot scale in situ conversion methods.
C. Advances that might be in commercial use by 2030
• Large scale oil shale production.
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If you have something to add, I'd like to see it.
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09-18-2008, 12:11 AM
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If you were wondering why we have no benefit of Iraqi Oil, if you were wondering why there was no pressure to bear on Iraqis to assist in paying for reconstruction, and the war. If you're inclined to blame this on Bush, then you're wrong.
Libs Kerry, Shumer, and McCaskill, should be made to explain why they imposed their directives.
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Wow...so they arent working to end the war?
Interesting.... Libs = more war.
I guess shammity, Limpbot, BO and Levine and Weiner are all lying Sand Nigger Jews.
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09-18-2008, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Heckler
Administration sycophants have screamed for years
"IT'S NOT ABOUT OIL!!!!"
So, what the fuck are you whining about? YOU guys said it WASN'T about the oil....
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The war wasn't and isn't about oil. Thanks for proving how idiotic you are. You claim that the war was all about war and when something "kinda sorta" points that way, you go and say "whats the big deal" Really, can you guys be consistent?
The point is that the enemy got what we need no matter what the war was all about. And it was all do to a few Liberal idiots undercutting the very people who are supposed to be taking care of such things. The President. No matter who the President is. You don't find Conservatives doing this sort of thing no matter who the President is. Just a bunch of America loathing Liberals. Go figure.
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