Warriors for laissez-faire and RNC speeches

rob · #81 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I am not trying to prove the war is driven by market forces alone. I have shown that the dreams of lassiez-faire economics regarding Iraq and a quick trip to absolute greed were part of the driving forces behind the what went wrong for us economically and morally.

The title was an oxymoron...laissez-faire warriors..do you understand?

I do not need to pollute laissez-faire concepts. They are already polluted both literally and figuratively.

Most of us weren't aware that you were at the White House or Pentagon during the planning phase of the war.

cat's meow · #82 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Amazed

Why should he be Cat? You aren't interested in any other point but your own. Obama is THE most Lib Sentaor in the Country, what could he POSSIBLY have to say to interest ANY Republican?

He asked ME...not the other way around. He was implying that I need to inform him when he wants tyo play word games with me...not my job here and that is not what this site is all about. If he wnats to debate then fine but he starts withthe semantic BS and I will not do it. And as for you; you recite Rep talking points very well. MOST LIBERAL means what? If you go back and really look at EVERYTHING he has voted on and authored then what you say is way off the mark...but you will not take the time to read just like the Taxes guy.

I Like Taxes · #83 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I am not trying to prove the war is driven by market forces alone. I have shown that the dreams of lassiez-faire economics regarding Iraq and a quick trip to absolute greed were part of the driving forces behind the what went wrong for us economically and morally.

Again, the Iraq War is not the manifestation of lassiez-faire economics.

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The title was an oxymoron...laissez-faire warriors..do you understand?

I can comprehend the oxymoron, but I have seen you misinterpret lassiez-faire ideology with crony capitalism numerous times. Correct me if I am wrong, but you probably believe that Blackwater is a product of lassiez-faire economics.

If you are being sincere, then this is just a simple misunderstanding.

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I do not need to pollute laissez-faire concepts. They are already polluted both literally and figuratively.

Can you support your claim?

Sam · #84 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rob

Most of us weren't aware that you were at the White House or Pentagon during the planning phase of the war.

Of course, I was not. I just read the transcripts and accounts of Paul Bremer and Dick Cheney and others who were in the economic planning phase. What do you think of Paul Bremer's economic plan in 2003 for Iraq, Rob?

Besides, I would never have been part of something so evil.

cat's meow · #85 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by I Like Taxes

What guy am I going to vote for? You already proved yourself to have poor deduction by implying that I listen Rush Limabaugh, when I simply stated that I do not believe that Obama will reduce military spending.

I have only backed up my claims with various links to his website and his rebuttals to Corsi's lies, but you seem content to drink kool-aid; another sign of a poor educator.

What I expect from you was to lucidly and succinctly state Obama's stances, not "go read his books" attitude. You simply fail at expressing your opinion. Again, I urge you to retire from your education career since you are not cut out for it.

I would expect you to understand the word "preference". Shall I explain opportunity cost to you also?

I am able to explain Ron Paul's stance on many issues. Either you are incapable of explaining Obama's or have not inclination to do so. What is it?

I did do my homework. I have looked up the facts on Obama and it tells me that he will INCREASE military spending. Please prove to me otherwise.

Either explain to me that Obama will not increase military spending (which currently account for 48% of global military spending), not follow interventionist policies, or STFU.

Stop playing BS word games. You have no intention of learning more about Obama, I clearly spelled it out and you further illucidated that point. Now you have crossed the line of STFU...good work. All this has been clearly explained to you by three of us and you continue to delve into patty-cake with the computer keyboard. Go read his books...my best advice so you can get a handle on what his public policy is and where he wants to take the military, et al, the country. So, no...you have not done a great deal of reading except for a very narrow set of things that you want to BS about.

At this point...

I Like Taxes · #86 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

He asked ME...not the other way around. He was implying that I need to inform him when he wants tyo play word games with me...not my job here and that is not what this site is all about.

Again, I am asking you to succinctly and lucidly explain Obama's position rather than "go read his book" attitude. You have failed numerous times at this.

The only word game that I have played is that I explicitly stated that I took "just as well funded" at face value. Yet, I fail to see how I am playing word games. It is you that playing the nuance card.

I am open to persuasion, but you need to present your case in a more intelligent fashion rather than supplying a plethora of strawmans.

cat's meow · #87 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by I Like Taxes

Again, I am asking you to succinctly and lucidly explain Obama's position rather than "go read his book" attitude. You have failed numerous times at this.

There is no attitude except when one throws out 'STFU.' You sem to have this vast knwledge of Obama and 'have done your homework.' The next step would be get quite a bit further into why he wants to and how he will do all this. I am not going to re-write whole chapter(s) of a book for you. This is a pretty simple concept you are failing to grasp.

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Originally Posted by I Like Taxes

The only word game that I have played is that I explicitly stated that I took "just as well funded" at face value. Yet, I fail to see how I am playing word games. It is you that playing the nuance card.

I am open to persuasion, but you need to present your case in a more intelligent fashion rather than supplying a plethora of strawmans.

...so then be TOTALLY persuaded and find out what 'just as well funded' EXACTLY means by reading the damn books...GET IT?!

You don't even know what a strawman argument is, and that was not it. How old are you? In HS?

I Like Taxes · #88 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

Stop playing BS word games. You have no intention of learning more about Obama, I clearly spelled it out and you further illucidated that point.

You have failed to show me that Obama has clear intentions of reducing military spending.

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Now you have crossed the line of STFU...good work.

See above or STFU. Does anyone else see the irony of a liberal telling me that I crossed the line with freedom of speech?

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All this has been clearly explained to you by three of us and you continue to delve into patty-cake with the computer keyboard.

You are fucking dense! No one has proved to me that Obama will reduce military spending. You bitch about the republican war machine, when in fact the democrats support it as well.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

cat's meow · #89 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by I Like Taxes

You have failed to show me that Obama has clear intentions of reducing military spending.

See above or STFU. Does anyone else see the irony of a liberal telling me that I crossed the line with freedom of speech?

You are fucking dense! No one has proved to me that Obama will reduce military spending. You bitch about the republican war machine, when in fact the democrats support it as well.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

I specifically did? I told you to become better informed about a guys public policy by doing more reading (which you have no intention of doing). I have not talked about a WAR MACHINE...check the thread my friend, you are getting further and further away from this the more you post.

Nice comebacks BTW, I am just floored...

Sam · #90 (**permalink**) 09-07-2008, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by I Like Taxes

Again, the Iraq War is not the manifestation of lassiez-faire economics.

John McCain even commented that Iraq in 2003 is “a huge pot of honey that's attracting a lot of flies.”

He was referring to the path cleared by our bombs for the venture capitalists and laissez-faire economics that Bremer was attempting to set in place.

You may be getting so defensive because this was all muddied by the violence and deceptions for our bombs even being there , but the reality is the economic plan to make billions post invasion was a lassiz-faire model. It went horribly wrong for many reasons.

Your focus seems to be just on protecting an economic model that you believe in , but the harsh reality is that economic model along with many complicating factors blew up in our faces post invasion.

Possibly you and I need to discuss laissez-faire economic models outside the context of the Iraq war.