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09-07-2008, 04:01 AM
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I can't post links, but here are some addresses.
"Barack Obama supports plans to increase the size of the Army by 65,000 soldiers and the Marines by 27,000 troops. Increasing our end strength will help units retrain and re-equip properly between deployments and decrease the strain on military families."
ww.barackobama.com/issues/defense/
The US is responsible for 48% of global military spending. I think it would be a good area to trim from.
ww.moblogic.tv/blog/2008/03/10/the-us-dominates-global-military-spending/
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Yes but that does not necessarily translate into increased spending. There are always things to look at.
First all one has to do is get an accounting of private contractors. Kind of reign them in. I bet there are billions we could be saving there alone.
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09-07-2008, 04:08 AM
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Don't vote for John McCain, that is a good start.
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Hopefully, you know me well enough from reading what I write to know I am not that irresponsible.
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09-07-2008, 04:10 AM
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Believing in a continued strong military as a momentum force is not the same as increasing spending. Going through an accountability analysis combined with intelligent force allocation, if done practically, realistically & within the rule of law can actually reduce wasted expenditures.
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I have yet to see Obama talking about reducing military spending. I only hear him favoring more spending. If people are going to criticize the republicans for increasing military spending, then it is only fair to examine the democratic party under the same microscope.
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As to the civilian army....no, creating a civilian peace outreach program is actually far cheaper.,
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Obama's exact words were "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." He either did not mean what he said, was pandering to his audience, or suffering from Rocky Mountain Fever.
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Or an American version of peace keeping forces. A version not about force but about community infrastructure rebuilding.
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I am just growing weary of both parties interventionism policies. I think we can reduced military spending by 10%. After we are finished with Iraq, I believe that we could safely reduce military spending by another 30%.
Eisenhower is correct, by stating that our military industrial complex that is bleeding us.
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09-07-2008, 04:16 AM
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It is about more than budget, it is about how they choose to utilize the military.
Do you have a link to your numbers? They sound a little off....
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World Military Spending ? Global Issues
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09-07-2008, 04:17 AM
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09-07-2008, 04:19 AM
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Its the amount they spend its how muxh they waste and steel. What they do with miltary is alos a huge problem of course as well as how they organize it.
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09-07-2008, 04:20 AM
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Yes but that does not necessarily translate into increased spending. There are always things to look at.
First all one has to do is get an accounting of private contractors. Kind of reign them in. I bet there are billions we could be saving there alone.
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Perhaps you are correct, but Obama's stance is telling me a different story. Perhaps Obama should convey how he will reduce military spending to his audience, because he has failed to do.
When Obama responded to the numerous lies of Corsi, one of his rebuttals is that Obama is going to increase the military and “Actually, Obama Wants To Increase Defense Spending”.
“‘Indeed,’ [Obama] says, ‘given the depletion of our forces after the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we will probably need a somewhat higher budget in the immediate future just to restore readiness and replace equipment.’” [AP, 10/12/06]
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ttp://markhalperin.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/unfit_for_publication.pdf
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09-07-2008, 04:20 AM
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Obama's exact words were "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." He either did not mean what he said, was pandering to his audience, or suffering from Rocky Mountain Fever.
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No, not sophmoric. It has to do with you interpreting words. Your logic is very flawed when comparing the last two presidents and how a new Democrat would fit into that. 'Just as well funded' can mean a few things, just as Bush promising to reduce spending seemed to mean...uh...hmmm...he actually increased spending.
Have you read any of Obama's books? Know what he really thinks about irresponsible government spending?
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09-07-2008, 04:21 AM
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ILT,
Obama is not dancing and singing Bomb bomb Iran like McCain and holds much lower risk of starting laissez-faire wars of deception that is what truly bleeds us finanacially.
He does want to increase numbers of troops to rotate and relieve the burnout of the rotating troops during the drawdown. There is no quick fix for this administrations failures.
Laissez-faire Contracts are where billions went unaccounted for and he wants to end this free for all that has cut loose over the past 5 years.
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09-07-2008, 04:23 AM
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Obama appeared to me to be talking about secuity such as INS, NSA, DEA and so on. Secuity shuld be handled at home. Tramping around forign nations doesnt secure the US from anything.
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