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Old 09-05-2008, 04:43 PM
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YouTube - Obama's Iraq Problem: Change That Works For Him

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Old 09-05-2008, 04:51 PM
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Here, let me help you since you completely botched this waste of bandwidth.

What do Obamorons know about credibility?

Obama's Iraq Problem


Obama's double standard


While we're at it, here's another one to chew on.

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The Don Imus/Jeramiah right one is a total gimmie. Obama turned away from both of them, so he isn't even holding himself to a double standard. I think it's cute how Republicans keep trying to drag Wright back into the political fray when he's been discarded and ignored by everyone for months now. It's not like Imus is a hot issue at this point either, so why we'd be dragging that up is unclear.

The war one isn't particularly strong either. Obama didn't make his re-assessment until he'd actually traveled to Iraq. The fact that he actually incorperates new information isn't a sign of weakness, it's what a good leader does. I think the American people are rightfully sick of the "What he believes on monday, he believes on wednesday, regardless of what happened on tuesday" mentality.
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The Don Imus/Jeramiah right one is a total gimmie. Obama turned away from both of them, so he isn't even holding himself to a double standard. I think it's cute how Republicans keep trying to drag Wright back into the political fray when he's been discarded and ignored by everyone for months now. It's not like Imus is a hot issue at this point either, so why we'd be dragging that up is unclear.

The war one isn't particularly strong either. Obama didn't make his re-assessment until he'd actually traveled to Iraq. The fact that he actually incorperates new information isn't a sign of weakness, it's what a good leader does. I think the American people are rightfully sick of the "What he believes on monday, he believes on wednesday, regardless of what happened on tuesday" mentality.
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Old 09-05-2008, 04:56 PM
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In response to your latter link, I think Obama himself put it beautifully when made his decleration to run. If he really intends to be an agent for change (which is another debate alltogether, believe me I know) then it makes little sense to further steep himself in the what he is strying to recreate.

And to finally throw out a nullification argument, you're mostly talking about things that are spaced apart by either years or changes in experience. The double-standards on Palin are remarks that were made as recently as last WEEK.
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Old 09-05-2008, 04:59 PM
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Iran Flip Flop

Iraq flip flop


Gun Ban flip flop

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Old 09-05-2008, 05:10 PM
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Both Mccain and Obama softened their stances after the assessment about Iraq not having as great a threatening capability as the administration alledged came out. Frankly I give them both credit there, and don't feel that McCain altering his comments to say that he would be open to negotiation is any great shame either.

As for Iraq, while Obama's stance may have shifted about the effectiveness of the surge (or at least that things calmed down during the surge's duration, time does heal all wounds) the administration's stance shifted to match Obama's rhetoric just the same. While previously they had argued the surge was justification for the war to go on, now they seem to admit there does need to be an end to combat operations in Iraq.

And the last one is totally shabby. The constitutionality of ANYTHING is subject to opinion and review. Once the review was in that it was not a constitutional ban, the very nature of the argument changes. You couldn't KNOW that prior to the court's review, you'd only be expressing an opinion. Hell, I was in favor of the DC Ban at one time, but I bow to the court's interpretation, which is their perrogative. I can no longer deny it's constitutionality.
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The Don Imus/Jeramiah right one is a total gimmie. Obama turned away from both of them, so he isn't even holding himself to a double standard.
Uh, no. He eventually caved in to the pressure on Wright, or he would have bolted from that church right after the tapes came out. With regard to Imus, Hussein was all over it calling for his firing, for less than what was said in his own church by his "spiritual mentor". Inexcusable...
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The war one isn't particularly strong either. Obama didn't make his re-assessment until he'd actually traveled to Iraq. The fact that he actually incorperates new information isn't a sign of weakness, it's what a good leader does.
Iraq was Hussein's big platform item which is what got him the support of the anti war crowd. So what you are basically saying is that the magic negro "wasn't informed" enough on Iraq to have even made it the biggest issue in his campaign. As a Senator, he wanted the troops out by March 08, as a Presidential candidate he wouldn't guarantee they would be out in 2013. Inexcusable....

He since has been proven wrong on the surge as well, and O' Reilly had to drag a half hearted admission out of him yesterday.
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Old 09-05-2008, 05:17 PM
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Uh, no. He eventually caved in to the pressure on Wright, or he would have bolted from that church right after the tapes came out. With regard to Imus, Hussein was all over it calling for his firing, for less than what was said in his own church by his "spiritual mentor". Inexcusable...
So me get this straight... your trusted spiritual advisor of 20 years starts to foam at the mouth in his twighlight, and you're supposed to reject him out of hand right away. You will recall that Obama condemned Wright's remarks LONG before Wright decided to go on the character assassination media spree he did.

Imus on the other hand is a meaningless (at least to Obama) shock-jock who said some racist bullcrap at the expense of female athletes without any merit. As he was employed by a company, for profit, calling for him to be fired is totally valid.


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Iraq was Hussein's big platform item which is what got him the support of the anti war crowd. So what you are basically saying is that the magic negro "wasn't informed" enough on Iraq to have even made it the biggest issue in his campaign. As a Senator, he wanted the troops out by March 08, as a Presidential candidate he wouldn't guarantee they would be out in 2013. Inexcusable....
It's not inexcusable. There have been dramatic shifts in Iraq from month to month. New violence could erupt there tomorrow and turn everything on its ear. You must admit the situation when he was Senator was WAY more dire than it is today. Is he supposed to ignore facts as they change?
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Both Mccain and Obama softened their stances after the assessment about Iraq not having as great a threatening capability as the administration alledged came out.
Say what? Obama claimed Iran "Was No Threat At All" a "Tiny Country" then two days later called Iran "A Grave Threat". Apparently the Messiah didn't realize he pissed off the Jews who historically vote Democrat, and did an abrupt about face 2 days later. I think you need to watch that video again. McCain NEVER claimed that Iran didn't pose a threat. Big difference....

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As for Iraq, while Obama's stance may have shifted about the effectiveness of the surge (or at least that things calmed down during the surge's duration, time does heal all wounds) the administration's stance shifted to match Obama's rhetoric just the same. While previously they had argued the surge was justification for the war to go on, now they seem to admit there does need to be an end to combat operations in Iraq.
Dude, you are clueless. The only reason we can withdraw troops now is BECAUSE OF THE SURGE, not because of a concession in the White House. Meanwhile, as you mentioned earlier, Obama wasn't informed enough to make a call on Iraq and changed his platform once he became informed. In short, your guy is often wrong and needs to "change" his rhetoric later to accommodate reality.

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And the last one is totally shabby. The constitutionality of ANYTHING is subject to opinion and review. Once the review was in that it was not a constitutional ban, the very nature of the argument changes. You couldn't KNOW that prior to the court's review, you'd only be expressing an opinion. Hell, I was in favor of the DC Ban at one time, but I bow to the court's interpretation, which is their perrogative. I can no longer deny it's constitutionality.
Then I guess you are backing the right man. Neither one of you have a spine.
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