According to the link you sent me, his 'tough' talk on Iran was earlier, not later, though there may be other links I suppose.

In any case, McCain claimed that Obama was being idiotic to claim that Iran could be negotiated with, yet just weeks earlier had said that negotiation with Iran was a good way to address the threat.


That's highly debatable. The white house insisted the surge was working months before anything had changed. Are you saying that despite never showing us evidence of foreshight, they were really examining this in detail?

And you're still not saying why changing one's opinion based on new information is the wrong thing to do. You have to make a case there or else you're just pissing in the wind on it.



Please, I'm going toe-to-toe with you aren't I? Perhaps once again, a conservative has confused prideful, stubborn ignorance for "spine"

I find this to be desturbing that people can't see the double standard of Obama. But then again they have a right to be blind to the faults of the Messiah.

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I wouldnt be surprised if that was bristols baby

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Wake up guy. Wright's "America's chickens have come home to roost" comment came right after 9-11, not in "his twilight". Hussein tried the "I didn't know he said those things" excuse, while the DVD these remarks appear on,"The Best Of Jeremiah Wright" was being sold right in the lobby of his church. Are you trying to tell me that Obama doesn't have a personalized copy from his dear friend and mentor?
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In short, you guy has a double standard for his spiritual advisor and just some guy on the radio. How comforting for a constitutional lawyer to take such a position.

I'm afraid it is.

Essentially you are excusing Obama for being inexperienced at a time of war. If it were up to him we would have pulled out and unleashed a humanitarian disaster of epic proportion. McCain on the other hand, is experienced and informed enough to listen to the commanders on the ground at his own political peril, instead of pandering to the protesters in the street for political gain.

The Character and Experience factor between these two candidates leaves only one logical choice. And it isn't Hussein.

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You know, I'll be the first to concede that Obama is just another politician and changes what he says based on which audience he's speaking to or what's politically convenient at the time. So does McCain. There's a reason the "maverick's" record changed so dramatically over the last eight years.

In fact the only politician that doesn't do that is Bush, and Bush has been horrific for this country. If you lack the capacity or intelligence to change yourself based on new information, I feel you're barely quallified to be a human being, let alone a president.

If there is one thing I hate about supporting Obama, it's that everyone assumes I'm some kind of naiive douchebag, obsessed with hope and changing the ways of washington.

I'm not. I'm an avowed liberal who wants our candidate to win because I'm sick of republican bullshit. Next question.

Well now that you mention it, what proof do you have that Obama DOES have a copy of that DVD? Or that he EVER vehemently agreed with the comments made once he was aware of them, whenever that may have been.


Yes, I do. Are you saying that Phill Graham should be held to identical standards as Rush Limbaugh? You're not seeing the difference between someone who says something because it's what they believe (however wrong they might be in Wright's case) and someone who says something to make money? Besides, who the Hell would Obama call on to fire Wright? He's the head of his church, not a subordinate like Imus.



You know when I wrote what you responded to with this quote, I actually then proceeded to back it up with something. Care to do the same?



Not true. McCain made gross overaxagerated statements in the opposite direction. the infamous 100 years statement had no more wisdom then blindly calling for a pull out in march of 08.

And again I submit that incorporating new information is a skill, not a liability.


You know I won't dispariage McCain's experience, I used to like him in the good old pre-2000 days. Then he had the guts to call Limbaugh a clown and vote against his own party. Why did he stop doing that? Because he's doing what's politically expedient. Why you give him a pass there yet feel Obama is somehow uniquely spineless is beyond me.

Republican policies have failed this country. It's obvious at this point and to support another one, regardless of how likeable or experienced he might be, could only come from someone who CAN'T incorporate new information into their world view.

That, my friend, is delusion.

the pubs are clowns. When he said he couldnt disown him, he wasnt talking about don imus he was talking about wright. They made the tape seem like he was talking about wright

YouTube - Proof Obama Lied In Race Speech

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I wouldnt be surprised if that was bristols baby

yep thats bristol in my avi...

exactly. Or they act like we voting just because he black. Nope. If he sounded and looked like a snake he wouldnt get my vote. Politics are tricky of course his words will be twisted here and there, but this man is 100% serious. VS mcClown and his bunny pepper.

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Watch it again and look at the dates.

Dude, you are pissing into the wind and all over your shoes.

Watch it again look at the dates, and listen to what his advisers are saying and what Obama is saying. Then get back to me.

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Ah, I was mislead by the caption that said EARLIER. So I guess Mccain is the only one to soften over time. So which is it? Is Iran a serious threat or not? Do you have an opinion?



Untill you at least make an argument for why changing one's opinion by incorporating new information is somehow wrong, your shoes are the only ones getting soaked here.



This one I didn't get the dates reversed on. More recently he's agreed the situation in Iraq has improved. What's your point?