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Old 09-05-2008, 07:15 AM
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What is he going to do, exactly?

I got the feeling he's going to need to go to war Iran, North Korea, Russia, though that is a bit tricky because they have nukes.

He's promising change, but he's going to keep cutting taxes, and promising to cut spending but never deliver so the deficit will keep increasing. Just like Bush and the Republicans. And if that policy didn't work for Bush and the Republicans, why will it work for McCain?

His words on energy are just like what Bush has promised: more drilling, nuclear, clean coal, but even with corporate welfare, Bush and the Republicans delivered nothing. So how is McCain offering change? And it hasn't worked for Bush and the Republicans, so why will it work for McCain?

He's promising to appoint judges just like Bush has appointed and Republicans ratified, and that has given corporations more power over people, so the corporations can pollute and destroy livelihoods, corporations can discriminate against woman and that's ok, and so how is being just like Bush and the Republicans going to improve things for the people?

And he's going to let the corporations export jobs and import from China, and maybe if the dollar falls in value so that oil doubles in price, then US workers will have less purchasing power so US corporations can export more.

Imagine you are in an elevator and someone gets on saying, "I don't have a clue about why anyone would vote for McCain" - what would you say as you ride from the 1st floor to the 20th floor?
The democrats are presently the majority on the Hill right now. The U.S. dollar has fallen while they are the majority. If the democrats are so great, how come they couldn't keep the dollar from falling. Yes, is has fallen because of Bush's preemptive war in Iraq under false pretense-but the majority of democrats voted along with the republicans to give Bush approval to bomb Iraq-and they all knew that Bush didn't have enough proof that Saddam had something to do with 911, or that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. Now the democrats are trying to blame Bush and the republicans for the mess that is presently in Iraq, but they are just as responsible. And, it they are so much better than the republicans, then how come they can't find a way to increase the value of the dollar which is worth about .65 cents on the world markets. How come if they are so right about Iraq, that the majority of them have not voted to bring the troops home now-not after the November elections are over. Well, it's because the democrats are still going along with the republicans and Bush's foreign policies on Iraq and the middle east. There's not going to be a change under a democratic president, either, because Obama is part of the Washington establishment, and has been long before he even became a U.S. senator. He's already flip flopping on his original stance of wanting to bring the troops home, and using force to get the job done if necessary, etc. I'm going to watch the three upcoming presidential debates, before I make My final decision-but I'm telling you right now that I'm not voting for Obama. I'll either vote for McCain or independent.
Obama is a complete phony.
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:20 AM
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i would say if mcain isn't elected then obama will be. that says it all.
I think once more people start to see beyond Obama's historic moment, and then beyond his skin color, and truly listen to what he is really saying, then seriously think about what Obama is saying-they are going to run in droves over to vote for McCain, because they will finally understand that Obama has been spewing empty rederick, and parroting what other democrats have been telling him to say, while lying about a whole lot of other things. He's far from being a seasoned politicians ready to be president.
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:22 AM
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If you close your eyes...then...it gets real dark...
Yes, very, very, very dark. I just hope people wake up, before it's too damn late, and see Obama for what he really is, and isn't.
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:28 AM
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If Obama wins, somone will take him out, if McCain wins, he will die in office of a heart attack, so it's really about the VPs and I think the "pitbull with lipstick" has bigger balls than Biden.......................

How can you disagree with that logic ?


Sarah Palin is more qualified to be president than both Obama, and Biden. However, she's the youngest of all of them, therefore, she's going to have to fight like hell to get any type of respect. So, she has the right mentality of defining herself as a pitbull with lipstick, because that is how she is going to have to fight. She knows the cream of the crop of the old boys club resides on Capital Hill. And, she knows that she is their number one target. But, I have a feeling that she is going to let Biden and Obama know without a doubt that they made a mistake in measuring who they are fucking with. This is going to be fun to watch, and Palin doesn't have to even have balls to stand up to Biden or Obama. Hell, both of them are already on the defense, and she hasn't even been near them yet.
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:32 AM
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I'd give it a 'B-'. It was solid and at point moving. but it as nothing compared to Palin.
McCain did extremely well. He didn't lay all his cards on the table, because he knows that he has to save them for the debates. And, his political opponent can't try to use his plans against him in the debates very well, if he doesn't know much about them before hand. However, the gloves are going to come off during the debates, and then we will all see who really is ready to lead this country on day one of taking office.
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Old 09-05-2008, 07:57 AM
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That is what most critics are saying, McCain is not very moving when giving a speech. Very 'workman' like.
But, still he seems like he has the right type of aggression that this country needs if we end up having to go to war with Iran, Russia, or anyone else. The next four years are not going to be filled with "coom by ya" moments, but problems, war, and various other conflicts. McCain has 30 years of political experience behind his belt, and 22 years of military experience as a commissioned officer-which also gives him more than enough executive experience to be president. Obama pales in comparison, and has no military or political executive experience at all. It really doesn't matter that McCain's speech wasn't moving enough for some people. What matters is what he was saying, and conveying to the audience, and voters. And, what is going to continue to matter is what he has to say in the upcoming three debates with Obama. McCain is far from being as dumb as some of the news medias are trying to paint him. Nor is he like Bush. Hell, the democrats were right up there on Capital Hill going right along with Bush's war plans, and voting right along with the republicans for them. Therefore, they too think like Bush if that's the case. The bottom line is Obama is not going to be a shoo in to the White House like the democrats had planned. Instead, because he fucked up, and didn't choose a woman as his Vice President, which would have almost insured a win for him, he's going to get a run for his money, and possibly lose by a considerable margin-if not by a landslide.

Yep, the voters are going to be "raising McCain!"
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Althouh I believe McCain has more substance than Obama, and also believe that the debates are where the real details are specified, I was a little disappointed that McCain did not give some specifics last night.

My premis for this statment is that, this was his opportunity to speak to the audience beyond the RNC, meaning democrates, indies and the undecided. He specified them in his speach that he wanted to speek directly to them, but failed to deliver anything in specifics that may have had a potential real effect on thier vote.

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Old 09-05-2008, 09:14 AM
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That is what most critics are saying, McCain is not very moving when giving a speech. Very 'workman' like.
I meant to say that it was at some points moving. His description of his being held was more descriptive and personal than I had ever heard him talk about before. Whether people love, hate or find him in the middle (which is where I am with him), he is a patriot and a hero. Moreover, there is nothing insincere about him.
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Old 09-05-2008, 09:26 AM
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Althouh I believe McCain has more substance than Obama, and also believe that the debates are where the real details are specified, I was a little disappointed that McCain did not give some specifics last night.

My premis for this statment is that, this was his opportunity to speak to the audience beyond the RNC, meaning democrates, indies and the undecided. He specified them in his speach that he wanted to speek directly to them, but failed to deliver anything in specifics that may have had a potential real effect on thier vote.

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I felt the same way. I also felt the same about Obama's speech.

I've let it go for now and look forward to each of them challenging the other on these issues. Explain to us how??
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I though Obama didn't talk to anyone but the attendees at the DNC. I just expected/wanted McCain to reach out beyond the party. He did more than the Dem nominee, but It's just me thinking he should have went further in details to them.
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