Originally Posted by ricechickie

I didn't attack her child, Tak. I keep saying that over and over, but here it is AGAIN.

1. Children (and other family) should be off-limits as fodder in a Presidential campaign.

2. But, simply by being related to a nominee, those family members do become public figures.

3. Whatever certain elements in the media finds about those family members, will be exploited.

4. I deplore the faux outrage that a nominee's family member is being spoken and written about in the press. She KNEW it would happen. That goes to judgment.

5. I read god knows how many threads about Obama's middle name, his family's flaws, his mother's "sluttiness," and how he's going to be the first President elected by Affirmative Action, and it makes me sick. I'm sorry if that disturbs you. However, much like your choice to go to Yahoo! for your news, you choose to read my posts. Simple, really. You're hereby invited to keep my disturbing thoughts off your radar.


You want to read that as attacking her daughter. Pardon, but it's bullshit.

Originally Posted by TakuanSoho

Ricie, again you have let partisanship warp you. Have assholes on the right attacked Obama, yes, and have I attacked them here (though of course Obama is an adult, and Palin's kid isn't, so the offense in the latter is FAR worse than the former). That is because I put the principle above the politics. That is what I am taking issue to you with.

I don't justify those attacks, I don't say "gees there wrong, but dems the breaks", I don't laugh and say "haw, Palin's daughter is a public figure now". That is what you are doing.

Originally Posted by ricechickie

I didn't attack her child, Tak. I keep saying that over and over, but here it is AGAIN.

1. Children (and other family) should be off-limits as fodder in a Presidential campaign.

2. But, simply by being related to a nominee, those family members do become public figures.

3. Whatever certain elements in the media finds about those family members, will be exploited.

4. I deplore the faux outrage that a nominee's family member is being spoken and written about in the press. She KNEW it would happen. That goes to judgment.

5. I read god knows how many threads about Obama's middle name, his family's flaws, his mother's "sluttiness," and how he's going to be the first President elected by Affirmative Action, and it makes me sick. I'm sorry if that disturbs you. However, much like your choice to go to Yahoo! for your news, you choose to read my posts. Simple, really. You're hereby invited to keep my disturbing thoughts off your radar.


You want to read that as attacking her daughter. Pardon, but it's bullshit.

Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

You are blaming the victim for being victimized here. If her car was stolen you would blame her for having a car in the first place. By accepting it as "oh well, she knew it would happen" you are allowing it to continue to happen and therefore must believe its ok to attack her and her children.

Originally Posted by ricechickie

I'll leave out the name-calling, and address the substance of your post.

As I get older, I am starting to realize that we control much of our lives, more than most people think.

My car was once stolen. First question the police asked...."Where was it parked?"

"Over there."

"In that dark corner?"

yes, in that dark corner.

"Did you have any security devices?"

"Like what?"

"An alarm, or even a club?"

"No."

"Did you even LOCK it?"

"I think so......"

Yeah, the kid who stole my car was wrong, but I could have saved myself a lot of grief by taking simple precautions. Call it blaming the victim, sure. I call it sound judgment.

Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

The cop was an idiot. You were the victim and the cop treated you like crap. That was wrong. I had the same thing happen to me in Miami a few years ago, I was told by the cop I should not have parked my car in a parking lot.

I told him I would not cause his city anymore grief because I simply would never return. And I haven't

Originally Posted by ricechickie

See, I disagree. He treated me as someone who needed to learn. And I did.

Originally Posted by nathanbforrest45

If you want to be the bad guy because you "allowed" yourself to be victimized go for it. I will never take that position. and you are still among the lowest of the low in my eyes and I will never ever see you as any better than even lasher again