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10-13-2006, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
Yeah... I said that (THREE DAYS AGO) You are just flustered and don't like being called a racist (i don't think you are) but your party has a history of "looking down" on black people and I HATE THAT. One of my best friends is black and I look out for him like a brother.
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THE ULTIMATE RACIST STATEMENT "ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS IS BLACK"
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10-13-2006, 02:12 PM
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I would say Civil Rights and Voting Rights would be the highest priority for african-americans
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Excellent, we are getting somewhere. Now answer what party has tried to block blacks from voting. Don't use the Dixiecrat argument, becasue Al Gore Sr. was not a Dixiecrat, nor was/is Robert Byrd. They both attempted a filibuster on the 1964 Civil Rights Act which a Republican Senator from Illinois broke up. Not to mention the watering down of the first Civil Rights Act (1957, which was followed by 1960 - both introduced by Republicans) by LBJ and JFK actually voting against the act. Was it because they didn't like the idea of blacks having the civil rights act? Probably not. They probably were in favor of it, just not enough to actually let the Republicans pass it and split up their Democratic party. Evidently politics trumped civil rights, or else you can give mme another explanation.
What civil rights have the Republicans taken from blacks?
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10-13-2006, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
I agree, but DOM said I wouldn't answer the question (that is why I hadn't answered before) but things are getting heated and I'm not going to back down from any of the Neocons.
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If you didn't feel you had the authority to answer before, then why would you feel you have the authority to make the statement in the first place? Why should you or anyone else tell a black man or woman that they are betraying their race's "core beliefs" by voting Republican? It is simply telling people to engage in group think, just follow the herd. By all means, don't have a mind of your own.
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10-13-2006, 02:16 PM
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Doesn't matter, it will be voted along partisan lines. Although I doubt that he could make too many people "his bitch."
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Well there is that Boy Scout he Nazi keeps in his basement..................
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10-13-2006, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
Yeah... I said that (THREE DAYS AGO) You are just flustered and don't like being called a racist (i don't think you are) but your party has a history of "looking down" on black people and I HATE THAT. One of my best friends is black and I look out for him like a brother.
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I don't like a lot of the things you say. When you call people fools for not agreeing with you, when you claim some mental superiority because your views are sooooo right, when you call people names (actually I don't care if you do that, but if you do it to me I will certainly piss you off by doing the same thing back CONSTANTLY), and particularly when you make broad statements which have no merit at all.
You have said that this forum is called ARGUE WITH EVERYONE so you have the right to your opinion. That is true, which means that you should also be prepared to defend it. If you don't beleive it, then don't put it out there. This forum is not called "Make up whatever the fuck you want and it is OK."
Also, I showed you your party's history with racism, and you are more than welcome to tackle some of that. One apologist in this forum actually said that what Hillary Clinton said about Gandhi was not that big of a deal. For some reason, Democrats do not see there own leaders as racists, but it is true - whether they like it or not. Racism knows no political boundary and if someone thinks it does then they are not really dealing with the problem.
Also, who cares about whether you have a black friend or not? What does it matter? I have black friends as well, and there are some whites I can't stand. What does that mean? I'll tell you . . . ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. We also have a white "neocon" on this board who is married to a black woman I believe. That must mean that he is more racially understanding and aware than you are, right? I mean he is actually married to a black person, you only have one as a friend. 
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10-13-2006, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Dom1
Excellent, we are getting somewhere. Now answer what party has tried to block blacks from voting. Don't use the Dixiecrat argument, becasue Al Gore Sr. was not a Dixiecrat, nor was/is Robert Byrd. They both attempted a filibuster on the 1964 Civil Rights Act which a Republican Senator from Illinois broke up. Not to mention the watering down of the first Civil Rights Act (1957, which was followed by 1960 - both introduced by Republicans) by LBJ and JFK actually voting against the act. Was it because they didn't like the idea of blacks having the civil rights act? Probably not. They probably were in favor of it, just not enough to actually let the Republicans pass it and split up their Democratic party. Evidently politics trumped civil rights, or else you can give mme another explanation.
What civil rights have the Republicans taken from blacks?
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Hi Dom1,
I agree with everything you said, but let's be honest....it was the Southerners that were against civil rights, not the Democrats and not the Republicans. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Southerners had a monopoly on racism, but, if you look at the civil rights voting recordings, they certainly led the charge against it. And, of course, most Southerners in the 1960s were Democrats....but, that is not true anymore. Here is a look at the voting for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
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10-13-2006, 03:04 PM
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Hi Dom1,
I agree with everything you said, but let's be honest....it was the Southerners that were against civil rights, not the Democrats and not the Republicans. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that Southerners had a monopoly on racism, but, if you look at the civil rights voting recordings, they certainly led the charge against it. And, of course, most Southerners in the 1960s were Democrats....but, that is not true anymore. Here is a look at the voting for the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
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I never said the Democrats were more racist than the Republicans or anything along those lines. I have consistently said that there are racists in both parties, but I am not buying that whole Dixiecrat spiel. That may be true for some of them, but not for people like Al Gore Sr. and Robert Byrd, who is still in the Senate. It also does not explain things like JFK voting against civil rights when his party did not introduce it - and he is most definately not a southernor. Seems that political issues were also taken into consideration and often outweighed the civil rights issue.
Not to mention that recent comments about Indians by people like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden had nothing to do with southern racism. There are plenty of other comments we can find on both sides of the aisle. That is my position. I was arguing with someone who felt that the Republicans as a whole was a racist party and that the Democrats were not. To me, that is a foolhardy statement to lump all people in a party together on a issue such as this.
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10-13-2006, 03:27 PM
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I never said the Democrats were more racist than the Republicans or anything along those lines. I have consistently said that there are racists in both parties, but I am not buying that whole Dixiecrat spiel. That may be true for some of them, but not for people like Al Gore Sr. and Robert Byrd, who is still in the Senate. It also does not explain things like JFK voting against civil rights when his party did not introduce it - and he is most definately not a southernor. Seems that political issues were also taken into consideration and often outweighed the civil rights issue.
Not to mention that recent comments about Indians by people like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden had nothing to do with southern racism. There are plenty of other comments we can find on both sides of the aisle. That is my position. I was arguing with someone who felt that the Republicans as a whole was a racist party and that the Democrats were not. To me, that is a foolhardy statement to lump all people in a party together on a issue such as this.
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Again Dom1, I agree with what you are saying...politics was a major factor. JFK was very pro civil rights, but, in reality, it took a Southerner to sign the bill. Personally, I consider Tennessee as part of the South....not so much so with West Virginia. I don't know what quotes you are referring to regarding Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and the Indians.
On a personal note, I have many conservative friends, more than I have liberal friends....probably because I grew up in a very conservative region. But, in general, I have found my conservative friends to be more bigoted than my more liberal friends...and it's not really close. Now, I'm not saying that all of my conservative friends are bigots, but some have bigoted tendencies....enough to have caused some pretty heated arguments with me.
Again, this all based only on my own personal sample of friends. But, it is a pretty strong and solid observation based on the data at hand. Are all conservatives bigots? Of course not. That's just as dumb as these other clowns saying that all liberals hate America. But have I personally seen a correlation between conservatism and bigotry....yes, a little bit.
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10-13-2006, 04:10 PM
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I don't know what quotes you are referring to regarding Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and the Indians.
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The one with Joe Biden talking about how Indians run 7-11's and Clinton's quote about Gandhi running a gas station in St. Louis. Just two examples.
I would also say that racism is probably more regional than party affiliation.
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