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10-11-2006, 12:00 PM
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Weeks before midterm elections across the country, Bush and the Republican Party are facing dismal approval ratings and for the first time since 2001, a Newsweek poll shows that more Americans — 53 percent — trust Democrats on moral values and the war on terror.
HAPPY DAY ARE HERE AGAIN HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!!!!!!
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Hi Nazi,
I knew YOU wouldn't have the balls to bet, but I am somewhat surprised NONE of you Dems do????????
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10-11-2006, 12:02 PM
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And I do love history and when history looks back on this period historians will be rubbing their heads... saying "what were they thinking?"
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If you truly believe that the dems will be any better, history isn't on your side....
Starting with Vietnam, which began under democratic leadership under the guise of "advisory status".... and so began our adventure in southeast Asia....
Recent history shows that neither party has a real upper-hand on involving us in fighting....
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10-11-2006, 12:16 PM
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You are talking about two completely different types of wars...
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Yeah, we all know you're still trying to make this Vietnam II.
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10-11-2006, 12:17 PM
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If you truly believe that the dems will be any better, history isn't on your side....
Starting with Vietnam, which began under democratic leadership under the guise of "advisory status".... and so began our adventure in southeast Asia....
Recent history shows that neither party has a real upper-hand on involving us in fighting....
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I agree... I lament the death of JFK, a lot of boys wouldn't have had to go so far to fight a war with no clear objectives.
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10-11-2006, 12:22 PM
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Well... I'll miss you for two days.
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The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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10-11-2006, 12:57 PM
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You should do a little reading of history I_hate_the_nazi_right. Your constant assertions that the terrorists cant possibly be losing because they are still fighting back is foolish, and quite uninformed. In wars of the past, it has been almost always true that the fighting was fiercest right before the end. The two bloodiest months of World War 2 for America was the last month before Germany surrendered. And again right before the surrender of Japan. You should educate yourself, because when you try and debate someone like myself who studies history and politics with great enthusiasm, you consistently find yourself making statements that are easily refuttable by those of us who actually have knowledge of the history you lamely attempt to use to your advantage.
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You should educate yourself on history as well and realize that an invading foreign military power who occupies a muslim country will eventually leave in defeat!!!!! Bush's bungling cluster fuck in Iraq, will end no differently. As for a matter of fact your miserable so called President will not finish the job in Iraq--Bush will leave that job for the next President to deal with b/c he's an irresponsible warmongering looser.
BTW, stop comparing the police action and occupation of Iraq to WWII!! There are no comparisons--where the HELL did you learn history! were you taught History at you kitchen table!! FDR and Truman listen to their Generals during WWII, however Bush failed to listen to his Generals and fired them or made them retire early if they did not buy into his plans for Iraq. Also, at the conclusion of WWII and the defeat of Japan and Germany, the Marshall Plan was implemented to rebuild the countries devasted by WWII. What type of Marshall Plan has The Bush Crime Family implemented in Iraq?? Absolutely nothing to speak of. Bush's version of the Marshall Plan is to allow 25,000 american contratctors to do the jobs Iraqi citizens could have done, which is utter bull shit.
Bush wants to stay the course in Iraq b/c its a freaken GOLD MINE for his War Profiteering Corporate Contrtacting buddies who are BILKING American tax payers out of billions of dollars every month.
World War II was a noble effort, this cluster fuck called Iraq that Bush chose to get our military bogged down in---was a mis-adventure of choice and set up to benefit soley the War Profiteers.
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10-11-2006, 01:11 PM
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You are talking about two completely different types of wars...
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If you are attempting to refute my use of historical precedent that shows that the type of war we are trying to win is quite winnable, then you will have to do better than "no it isnt". Because that is basically what your argument boils down to. You say that the Philipino insurrection against American control is different than the "Iraqi" insurrection against American control. I imagine that before I mentioned it, you were not even aware of the Phillipine rebellion, and I will venture to take one more step out on this limb of mine, your ignorance of the conflict was not corrected prior to your childlike response. However you sit there and make a blanket statement that the conflicts are totally different. The only difference is that the driving force behind the Phillipine revolution was far stronger (nationalism), and our ability to combat it far weaker. And yet we emerged victorious. Or perhapse you were referring to my mention of the 1st and 2nd world wars. Is that it? If so, than please explain to me why the crux of my argument is faulty. I said that casualty rates are not an accurate barometer of our progress in a conflict. Show me how I am wrong. (that is not the same thing as simply saying "you are wrong")
I feel like I am teaching children how to hold a conversation. No No Billy, you cannot simply say "I know you are but what am I". You must explain to Timmy exactly why you are not a butt face, and back it up with supporting evidence.
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10-11-2006, 01:17 PM
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And guess what... we are STILL IN THE PHILLIPINES, just like will still be in Iraq in 40 years. If you want to fight an insurgency for the half century then grab your gun and "See ya." Won't happen because cowards like you like to hide behind a military.
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The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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10-11-2006, 01:47 PM
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Well... I'll miss you for two days.
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Hi Nazi,
So you are in?
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10-11-2006, 02:01 PM
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I served In the navy for 7 years. In which branch did you serve? Dont tell me that I hide behind the military. Furthermore you are once again caught trying to spew off about history and for that matter current events about which you know nothing. Why dont you enlighten me as to which military units we currently have in the Phillipines? If you werent such a bullshitting poser who pretends to be knowledgable about things which you are clearly quite ignorant of, you wouldnt attempt to be part of a conversation that is clearly over your head.. Here's a little education for you, the United States fulfilled its promise of independence to the Phillipines almost immediately following the conclusion of the 2nd World War. We then proceeded to evacuate our only military base in the area only a couple years later. The only soldiers currently in the Phillipines are a few special forces guys who only recently helped the Phillipine government put down a terrorist organization located in the southern islands of the Phillipine nation. We came back to the Phillipines only at the Phillipine governments request.
Last edited by Capitalist Pig; 10-11-2006 at 02:04 PM.
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