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Old 10-10-2006, 01:04 PM
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Are we going to invade NK? The only way we are going to have any headway with that country is through diplomacy. Bush won't even meet with him Il. So... they play the weapon's card and see if anyone will pay them off. This time they went too far and China is gonna Fix this issue. We won't have anything to do with it... thank God because Bush would invade if given the chance... when you've never seen combat it's easy to spend lives.
And that is WHY six nations are involved instead of two.

Obviously, Russia, China, and South Korea are involved because thet share a border with NK, and Japan sits only a couple of miles across the water from NK. So, it makes sense to involve those nations.

Invading is out of the question, and if it is on Bush's drawing board, then his administration is foolish.

Of course it would make sense for China to take the lead (as everyone has been hoping for); they are pretty much the only nation with some sort of diplomatic relation with NK. If China wants the world stage spotlight, now is the time for them to step up to the plate.
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Old 10-10-2006, 01:37 PM
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did anyone listin to the hilary clinton sound bite today. She pretty much blamed bush for alloqing north korea to detonate a nuclear bomb. But she forgets to mention that her husbang enabled Kim Jong ILL. Anyway thats ankles for you.
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:07 PM
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did anyone listin to the hilary clinton sound bite today. She pretty much blamed bush for alloqing north korea to detonate a nuclear bomb. But she forgets to mention that her husbang enabled Kim Jong ILL. Anyway thats ankles for you.
That is right on the money. Not only was he enabled, he had sanctions lifted from him even after it became obvious that he was not suspending the nuclear weapons program, and had in fact fired a test missile over Japan. Our response to this? Lift sanctions. Maybe some of those Chinese who donated to the DNC were sympathetic to the North Koreans.
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:47 PM
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That is right on the money. Not only was he enabled, he had sanctions lifted from him even after it became obvious that he was not suspending the nuclear weapons program, and had in fact fired a test missile over Japan. Our response to this? Lift sanctions. Maybe some of those Chinese who donated to the DNC were sympathetic to the North Koreans.

Thats all true. But the question is what are we going to do about N.Korea?
What options are really on the table, can we convince China to install a puppet government in N.Korea? That seems like the most viable option right now, because Kim Jong Il is nuts, and needs to be taken out of power
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:48 PM
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Bush can't KEEP AMERICA SAFE!! Bush's Cowboy Go-it-Alone Foreign Policy has made America not only less safe, but the laughing stock of the entire world. When Bush came into office NK had no platonium and no Nukes. But guess what 6 years later--THEY SURE AS HELL DO NOW.

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Rast you are living in a dream world if you believe the NKs had no plutonium berfore Bush took office. They had plenty of weapons grade plutonium when Clinton was in office. I'm no Bush apoligist, but your blind hatred is truly clouding any sort of judgement you may have had.
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Old 10-10-2006, 03:51 PM
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This ad was pulled by Republicans. Too bad, it was pretty funny and on mark.

Rastaman, please read some history about anything pertaining to anything you talk about. I have rarely come across someone on a blog who is so wrong about so much .
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I think Bush needs to face NK one on one and get the message to this guy. No more 6 nation crap. We need to act now face him off and let him know NO MORE BULLSHIT. It wont work but then we will have more leverage with the 6 nation sanctions.
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Old 10-10-2006, 03:54 PM
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Read and learn. I'm actually trying to help you out here.
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Old 10-10-2006, 11:19 PM
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McCain on Tuesday accused former President Clinton, the husband of his potential 2008 White House rival, of failing to act in the 1990s to stop North Korea from developing nuclear weapons.

"I would remind Senator (Hillary) Clinton and other Democrats critical of the Bush administration's policies that the framework agreement her husband's administration negotiated was a failure," McCain said at a news conference after a campaign appearance for Republican Senate candidate Mike Bouchard.

"The Koreans received millions and millions in energy assistance. They've diverted millions of dollars of food assistance to their military," he said.

Democrats have argued President Clinton presented his successor with a framework for dealing with North Korea and the Republican fumbled the opportunity. In October 2000, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright made a groundbreaking visit to Pyongyang to explore a missile deal with Chairman Kim Jong Il. There was even talk of a visit by President Clinton.


Reports this week suggesting North Korea tested a nuclear device prompted a number of Democrats to criticize Bush, arguing that he focused on Iraq, a country without weapons of mass destruction, while ignoring legitimate threats from Pyongyang.

The criticism took a presidential campaign turn on Tuesday as McCain, the Arizona senator considered the Republican front-runner for the party nod, assailed Clinton's husband and mentioned her by name. The New York senator is considered her party's leading candidate in 2008.

Sen. Clinton's spokesman dismissed McCain's criticism and argued that it was time for a new policy from the president.

"Now is not the time to play politics of the most dangerous kind - with our policy on North Korea," Philippe Reines, spokesman for Clinton, said in a statement. "History is clear that nothing the Bush administration has done has stopped the North Koreans from openly testing a nuclear weapon and presenting a new danger to the region of the world."

Five years after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Bush "has allowed the 'axis of evil' to spin out of control. Our Iraq policy is a failure. Iran is going nuclear and North Korea is testing nuclear weapons," the statement said.

McCain's criticism also elicited a strong response from Democratic Sen. John Kerry, the 2004 presidential nominee and a potential 2008 candidate.

"He must be trying to burnish his credentials for the nomination process," said Kerry, who labeled McCain's comments "flat politics and incorrect."

"The truth is the Clinton administration knew full well they didn't have a perfect agreement. But at least they were talking. At least we had inspectors going in and we knew where the (nuclear fuel) rods were. This way, we don't know where the rods are, the rods are gone. There are no inspectors. Ask any American which way is better," Kerry said.

The Massachusetts senator made the remarks in Nevada during a campaign appearance with Elizabeth Carter, wife of Democratic Senate candidate Jack Carter.

In U.S.-North Korea relations, the initial breakthrough occurred in October 1994 when U.S. negotiators persuaded North Korea to freeze its nuclear program, with onsite monitoring by U.N. inspectors. In exchange, the United States, with input from South Korea and Japan, promised major steps to ease North Korea's acute energy shortage.

These commitments were inherited by the Bush administration, which made clear almost from the outset that it believed the Clinton policy ignored key elements of North Korea's activities, especially the threat posed by the hundreds of thousands of troops on permanent duty along the Demilitarized Zone with South Korea.

McCain, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said he backed tough U.N. sanctions against North Korea in response to the reported test. The measures, he said, should include a military embargo, financial and trade sanctions and the right to inspect all cargo in and out of North Korea.

McCain also called on China to "step up to the plate" and vote for sanctions and rejected calls for one-on-one talks between the United States and North Korea.

"The worst thing we could do is to accede to North Korea's demand for bilateral talks," McCain said. "When has rewarding North Korea's bad behavior ever gotten us anything more than worse behavior?"

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Associated Press Writer Kathleen Hennessey in Boulder City, Nev., contributed to this report.
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North Korea might now have The Bomb, but it doesn't have much electricity

As the world grapples with how to rein in the "axis of evil" state which this week conducted a nuclear test, this spectacular satellite photo unveiled yesterday by US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld shows in stark detail the haves and have-nots of the Korean peninsula. The regime in the north is so short of electricity that the whole country is switched off at 9 p.m. - apart from the capital of Pyongyang where dictator Kim Jong-il and his cohorts live in relative luxury. But even there, lighting is drastically reduced.
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