North Korea claims nuclear weapons test

monkeyinthemiddle · #61 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Wait... I thought we all hate the commies and the nazis. Except for Korea and Vietnam, I"m not sure I get your point.

Wha?
DUH...who am I, wha's goin' on?

monkeyinthemiddle · #62 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Are we going to invade NK? The only way we are going to have any headway with that country is through diplomacy. Bush won't even meet with him Il. So... they play the weapon's card and see if anyone will pay them off. This time they went too far and China is gonna Fix this issue. We won't have anything to do with it... thank God because Bush would invade if given the chance... when you've never seen combat it's easy to spend lives.

Go crawl back under rock hateful.

Dom1 · #63 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Are we going to invade NK? The only way we are going to have any headway with that country is through diplomacy. Bush won't even meet with him Il. So... they play the weapon's card and see if anyone will pay them off. This time they went too far and China is gonna Fix this issue. We won't have anything to do with it... thank God because Bush would invade if given the chance... when you've never seen combat it's easy to spend lives.

Diplomacy was tried with North Korea in the 90's . . . it didn't work then either. We then tried lifting sanctions, it didn't work. But playing the weapons card and getting paid off worked very well for them at that time. We even lifted teh sanctions without them abiding by their agreements, that will hardly ever work I suspect.

In case you are not aware, China, Japan, South Korea, Russia, and the US have been involved in talks with the North Koreans. There is dialogue going on between the administration and North Korea as well as four other nations. I think this counts as diplomacy.

cat's meow · #64 (**permalink**) 10-09-2006, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

In case you are not aware, China, Japan, South Korea, Russia, and the US have been involved in talks with the North Koreans. There is dialogue going on between the administration and North Korea as well as four other nations. I think this counts as diplomacy.

I think Japan and China (as of today) have met to try and do something. That is a about what anyone can expect at this point. The pressure is heavily on Asian nations to deal with Kim Il. Honestly whether you like Bush or not this is a matter that the countries in that hemisphere will really need to deal with, that is even what I got from what John Bolton had sadi today. Right now the UN chair will be South Korean so maybe that is good timing, at the very least he will be keeping the attention of the security council on Kim Il.

Skinny Fatts · #65 (**permalink**) 10-10-2006, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by graybeard

Don't forget Eisenhower (R), he sent the first troops to Viet Nam.

Thank you graybeard.

Skinny Fatts · #66 (**permalink**) 10-10-2006, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Wait... I thought we all hate the commies and the nazis. Except for Korea and Vietnam, I"m not sure I get your point.

I'm not surprised.

Politicon · #67 (**permalink**) 10-10-2006, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by RASTAMAN

Politicon, there are Conservative posters in this forum who bash Democrats and Liberals. When or where have you made a plea or statement to cut out this type of behavior?

Hell Politicon if it would make you feel better, "LET'S NOT HOLD BUSH ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOTHING", or better yet, why don't you list what Bush can be blamed for!!!

By-the-way, this is an Election year; The Republicans are in the spotlight and they have a Bullseye on their party. Republicans are in the MAJORITY in Congress for the last 12 years----who else is to blame? You always blame the party who has all the power and who are in the Majority. So CRY ME A RIVER. If the Majority was opposite and Democrats owned both House and Senate, what the hell would CONSERVATIVES be doing right now--Singing CUMM-BY-YA? Yeah RIGHT, conservatives would be doing the same thing I'm doing right now.

I understand it’s an election year. My point is though that I don’t think every world event can be blamed on the controlling party in America. Bush wasn’t able to stop NK from developing Nukes. Clinton wasn’t either as Dom has pointed out in this thread repeatedly. All I want to know is what Bush could have done? Send in troops? NK went against the wishes of their biggest ally who is the only one keeping their nation alive. What could Bush have done differently? What could Clinton have done differently? What could anyone have done? Independent sanctions by America aren’t exactly a perfect solution. This is an event that happened and I don’t really care whose watch it was on. I don’t’ see how the blame can be laid on one party/person. If you want to blame republicans for what has happened in this nation or as a result of this nation that is a different story. We didn’t help NK develop their nukes and we couldn’t have stopped them unilaterally either.

You also wanted to know what I blame Bush for. I can think of two major things off the top of my head:

No Child Left Behind: this is possibly the worst education legislation I have ever seen

Hurricane Response: Sure we’ve never experienced anything like it, but Bush should have been able to cut through the red tape for a better response then that bureaucratic garbage that we got.

Politicon · #68 (**permalink**) 10-10-2006, 01:02 AM

Just so you all know, according to SK China has withdrawn their objection to the Chapter 7 UN Security Council resolution. Like I said, China is not pleased by this. It goes directly against what they were trying to achieve in the region.

Eternal Footman · #69 (**permalink**) 10-10-2006, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Are we going to invade NK? The only way we are going to have any headway with that country is through diplomacy. Bush won't even meet with him Il. So... they play the weapon's card and see if anyone will pay them off. This time they went too far and China is gonna Fix this issue. We won't have anything to do with it... thank God because Bush would invade if given the chance... when you've never seen combat it's easy to spend lives.

Do you believe Il wants diplomacy? Based on Il's recent actions and history of going back on his word, what makes you think Il will follow any new guidelines?

Why is it when Bush tries to defend his country and things go poorly, he is labeled the worst president ever? But, when Kim Jong Il starves his people and threatens the security of the world, we want to have negotiations. People are going to wake-up and discover people like Il will never be stabilized by "talks".

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/47809.pdf#search='foreign%20aid%20to%20north%20kor ea'

gdfather02 · #70 (**permalink**) 10-10-2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right

Well guess what? Your boy bush can't do SHIT now because we are tied up in a meaningless, waste of time, bullshit war in Iraq. We don't even have the troops to do anything about but sit on our asses and use this nuke test to try to scare the neocon base into voting beyond their "Congressmen IM/raping young boys" conscience.

Even if, IF we had the troop strength, that is definately a last, LAST option, considering that the South Korean capital city is only a couple of miles from the DMZ. Even the democrats in our government know this. Their only insistance is that Bush "go at it alone" with NK. Why?? It would seem to me that solution would be the ultimate slap in the face to that other nation that shares the same peninsula with NK. And in that part of the world, saving face is everything, hence the insistance of six party talks....