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10-09-2006, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by I_Hate_the_Nazi_Right
What is Bush going to do? You tell me... invade? NO and they know that. The only fear is of China... we have no weight in the world now.
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I don't think invasion of North Korea was ever a real option anyway. China does not want North Korea to want the weapons. If North Korea keeps them then Japan is just a couple of years away from having themselves. China will deal with North Korea, and there is no way the US would ever invade a nation which borders China anyway, to think otherwise is incredibly stupid. China has already come out and spoken out against NK, no doubt they do not want neighbors like Japan and possibly South Korea to have their own. NK having them gives those other two an excuse to develop their own.
The do-nothing UN is responsible as well. Even if one argues that the UN was a good idea at one time, the Security Council alone makes it impotent. Take away US funding (almost a quarter of the budget) and It is completely impotent.
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10-09-2006, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Deepsees
I think your name says everything about lieberals.... HATE. Odd how the lieberals are backing the islam-o-facist and you call conservatives nazis....ROTFLMAO!!!! How democrack of you !!!! Hey... has the al qaeda spokesperson, Harry Reid, been faxing your lock step orders?
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You are the fucking assholes who love to start wars for no good reason... have you ever seen an exploded baby... might change your view on endless war and destruction you idiot... and guess what I"m from Nevada THANK GOD FOR HARRY... and in November you next speaker is going to be named Pelosi... I can't wait to watch Neocon asses like your implode after that happens.
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10-09-2006, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by George O Well
Well, for one, he could simply stop calling N. Korea part of the "axis of evil" and other bullshit such as that. You call Iraq part of the axis of evil and then invade, how do you expect the Koreans to react?
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This might be a bit deeper than the name calling level.
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10-09-2006, 05:43 PM
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So without the UN we would have NO voice in the issue... We're not the superpower we once were.
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The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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10-09-2006, 05:51 PM
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Evidently the UN has no voice in the issue. The UN is a do-nothing organization. They have proven their incompetence time and time again. The UN definately needs the US more than the US needs the UN.
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10-09-2006, 06:57 PM
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Do we impose sanctions? It won’t faze Kim Jong Il. His people are dying of starvation now.
Sanctions could drive him to sell the technology or even a bomb to the highest bidder on the black market.
We have done nothing to prevent it. It’s not as if we didn’t know this day was coming.
The U.S. should have acted sooner while there were more options. Now we have but 2 options, cave in to North Korea, or change the landscape.
Three years ago GWB said, “The United States would not tolerate a nuculer (nuclear) North Korea.” Well…now what? The world is watching and so is Al Qaeda.
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10-09-2006, 07:03 PM
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I am sure Iran is watching as well, chalk one up for the 'axis'
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10-09-2006, 07:29 PM
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Personally I believe that North Korea made a huge mistake in testing their nuke. Why? Because China has long been wishing to be the dominant country in the region. This nuclear test will drive both South Korea and Japan back towards the US. The United States has defense treaties with both South Korea (1954 - Mutual Defense Treaty - Created an alliance with South Korea, and established basis of South Korean adherence with U.S consulations on North Korean policy) and Japan (1960 - Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan - mutual defense treaty with Japan). On top of this, we also have defense treaties with other countries closer to the region such as the Philippians (1951 - Mutual Defense Treaty - between the Republic of the Philippines and the United States of America), and more importantly the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) which includes Australia, France, New Zealand, Pakistan, Philippines, Thailand, United Kingdom, and the United States ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEATO). What this amounts to is the fact that all the “friendly” nations in that part of Asia will be driven closer to the US for protection and quite possibly even arm sales. This will devastate China’s goal of becoming the sole dominating power of Asia just as the US is in the west. In other words, I wouldn’t be surprised to see China take a hard line with NK over this (they already have condemned it in fairly harsh words) and considering that they are their major provider of both fuel and food this could spell trouble for NK if they don’t fall in line. There is nothing that China would desire to see less than the countries of Asia become closer with the United States.
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10-09-2006, 07:37 PM
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Well it has become abundantly clear which COUNTRY REALLY HAS WMD. It ain't IRAQ AND it ain't IRAN!
Gee Georgy Porgy how could you and "Shoot Anything That Moves Cheney" miss this one? Were you Dim Witted Fools high on oil.
Dictator Bush is a miserable failure on every issue. Saddam never had WMD and Bush knew it, this is why he never fired anyone who gave him the so called Bad Intellligence. Bush has lost the peace in Iraq--but is helping his war profeetering buddies bilk billions from American Tax payers. The Taliban are nearly back in Power and are only growing stronger.
Bush can't KEEP AMERICA SAFE!! Bush's Cowboy Go-it-Alone Foreign Policy has made America not only less safe, but the laughing stock of the entire world. When Bush came into office NK had no platonium and no Nukes. But guess what 6 years later--THEY SURE AS HELL DO NOW.
Okay Bush supporters and loyalist, shhhhhh.....close your eyes and say this can't be happening and when you wake up tomorrow, NK will destroy thier nukes, Iran will stop their Nuclear ambitions, the Shia, Sunni, and Kurds will suddenly except our occupation with uphoria and flowers; Foley was actually a Democrat, and Bush will call a news conference and aplogize for scaring the living shit out of Americans and for propagandizing the TRUTH!!!
You Conservatives cannot blame Democrats nor can you blame Clinton for this mess you find your party in. Fore you have had the MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE for 12 YEARS AND YOU HAD A REPUBLICAN IN THE OVAL OFFICE FOR 6 FREAKIN YEARS.
CONSERVATIVES: YOUR PARTY, THE GOP MAJORITY IN CONGRESS AND YOUR PRESIDENT ARE ALL IN A STATE OF DENIAL AND IN AN ENDLESS
FREE-FALL.
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10-09-2006, 07:48 PM
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Politicon, you're living in a dream world if you believe the Chinese will do ANYTHING to make North Korea implode! What, and have millions of starving North Koreans pour over the Yalu into China? South Korea would want it less with millions of starving North Koreans flooding across the DMZ. They remember when the Berlin Wall went down and West Germany had to pick up the tab for the East Germans. Multiply that a thousandfold and you'd see what the South Koreans would be up against. Their economy would go in the tank, FAST!! 
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