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08-04-2008, 02:24 PM
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Drilling in ANWR will produce more oil today than inflating tires will save??
Can someone explain how even leasing out ANWR today with drilling authorized will produce more oil this year than inflating tires will save??
Does McCain have a time machine??
Even is drilling started today in ANWR, buying a more fuel efficient car when your existing car is five years old would save more oil than drilling in ANWR would add.
Drilling has been done in the Alaskan seas and oil found, but that isn't delivering oil to the market today, so how can starting drilling in ANWR deliver more oil yet this year??
McCain is merely making promises of future wonderfulness without delivering anything today, and then criticizing Obama for offering solutions that improve the situation today.
And Obama offers solutions that improve things in Michigan, like making Michigan a manufacturing center for wind power generating equipment, which when installed would generate electricity that can recharge the batteries of electric cars manufactured in Michigan. But then again, McCain's straight talk express message to Michigan workers is, "your job is gone and ain't coming back."
McCain is visiting a site where a $3B nuclear power plants was proposed, but that was before the costs of energy which drives the costs of construction materials doubled, so that proposed plant is on the nuclear power plant cost escalator. Now the costs are estimated at $5-6B. And the plant hasn't even gotten approval. Of course, this new power plant will depend on the big government central planners really getting behind the plant so that the democratic process is overridden, like China has done to get everything ready for the olympics.....
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08-04-2008, 02:49 PM
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Nobody has said that opening up drilling is going to salve the prices or supply instantly. But by opening it up will help drive the price down some. just like it went down after Pres Bush announced he was lifting the executive ban.
McCain still wants to explore every options to help bring prices down and make us independent of OPEC.
WE all need to do our own part in this. Turn a light off if you don't need it open the windows.
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08-04-2008, 03:03 PM
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Mulp, it sure would have helped at this point if the democrats hadnt blocked the full scale exploration that all companies wished to partake of when first discovered.
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08-04-2008, 03:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chef
Nobody has said that opening up drilling is going to salve the prices or supply instantly. But by opening it up will help drive the price down some. just like it went down after Pres Bush announced he was lifting the executive ban.
McCain still wants to explore every options to help bring prices down and make us independent of OPEC.
WE all need to do our own part in this. Turn a light off if you don't need it open the windows.
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So, Obama is right. Inflating tires will help today, and building electric cars and plug in hybrids like the Volt in Michigan will cut oil demand and lower prices before drilling in ANWR can possibly increase supply of oil and lower prices.
So, why does anyone think that McCain has any idea of what to do to lower the cost of oil based energy sooner than Obama does?
By the time drilling in ANWR lowers the cost of oil, the odds are good that McCain will be dead, and definitely out of office.
And Obama is calling for oil to be pumped out of the SPR which would lower oil and gas prices in a matter of weeks, but McCain is opposed to that, so McCain seems to want high oil prices today.
Why does anyone want high oil prices today? Or is the view that adding oil supplies today won't lower the price of gas and oil? If adding supply today won't lower prices today, the why would drilling in ANWR lower prices after McCain was out of office a decade from now?
McCain's promises seem to ring of "the Iraq war will pay for itself" and "elections in Iraq will transform the Arab world into democracies."
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08-04-2008, 03:21 PM
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lol....ANWR is "part" of the solution....
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08-04-2008, 03:47 PM
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Sure keeping your tire properly inflated helps. But not to the extent they you think. Opening up the Researve sure it will help. But what about putting it back? or when it runs out. then you are back where you started The amount in the researve is only about 3 months. Then what do you do? ohhh That's right plug your car in. What about those of us that don't have a plug in car? Thats right we take that $1000 from obama and go buy one. But wait that $1000 will not completely buy one so we take a loan out and have to make payments on a new car, plus pay the extra cost of electricity for charging it. then those of us that live further away then 40 miles have to think about how we plug it in for 8 hours to charge it up to either get the rest of the way to work or if we are lucky and live that close we can plug it in at work and then pay our boss for the electricity we use to recharge it while we work. Then we have to pay more at the pump anyway because of the extra tax on the oil companys that is sure to get passed down to us. so we are going from $4 a gallon to $8, 9, 10, or more a gallon just to cover the extra tax. Sure this sounds like a winning idea to me. NOT!!!!!!
keep thinking that his plan is going to be the answer.
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08-04-2008, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mulp
Can someone explain how even leasing out ANWR today with drilling authorized will produce more oil this year than inflating tires will save??
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You in the tire business? You CAN put enough air in a tire that WILL incresase mileage. Trade off? Rides like a log wagon, VERY UNSAFE ( no flex, so no grip,) and will wear out in 5000 miles.
Please accept this in the spirit it is delivered, but I really don't need automotive advice from a Liberal, admitted crack head, from Chicago.  
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08-04-2008, 04:05 PM
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Disadvantages of Overinflation
An overinflated tire is stiff and unyielding and the size of its footprint in contact with the road is reduced. If a vehicle's tires are overinflated by 6 psi, they could be damaged more easily when encountering potholes or debris in the road, as well as experience irregular tread wear. Higher inflated tires cannot isolate road irregularities as well causing the vehicle to ride harsher and transmit more noise into its interior. However, higher inflation pressures reduce rolling resistance slightly and typically provide a slight improvement in steering response and cornering stability. This is why participants who use street tires in autocrosses, track events and road races run higher than normal inflation pressures.
Disadvantages of Underinflation
An underinflated tire can't maintain its shape and becomes flatter than intended while in contact with the road. If a vehicle's tires are underinflated by only 6 psi it could weaken the tire's internal structure and eventually lead to tire failure. Lower inflation pressures will allow more deflection as the tire rolls. This will build up more internal heat, increase rolling resistance (causing a reduction in fuel economy of up to 5%) and reduce the tire's tread life by as much as 25% while increasing the probability of irregular treadwear. Drivers would also find a noteworthy loss of steering precision and cornering stability. While 6 psi doesn't seem excessively low, it typically represents about 20% of a passenger car tire's recommended pressure.
Tires Last Longer With Proper Care

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08-04-2008, 04:15 PM
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08-04-2008, 04:56 PM
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On Sunday, Speaker Pelosi did herself no favors.
The elitist speaker of the worst Congress ever-- told George Stephanopoulos that there will be no up or down vote under her watch on domestic oil development and drilling.
...She is out to save the planet, after all.
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