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06-28-2008, 01:49 PM
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5 to 4 is a close call
In a landmark decision yesterday the Supreme Court upheld the individual right to firearms, knocking down the handgun ban in Washington D.C. It is a great victory for not only American gun owners, but for the Constitution as well.
It also demonstrates the stark difference between traditional American values, and what the left thinks is acceptable. There is no way to interpret the second amendment as a collective right. Any sound thinking, non-Obama constitutional scholar will tell you that if you consider the language of the second amendment to be "collective", meaning of course a states right, rather than individualistic, you would than have to consider the rest of the bill of rights as collective rather than individual. Consider the words of the founders themselves as to the collective arguement:
No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
---Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
---Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
[i]The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals...t establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.
---Albert Gallatin to Alexander Addison, Oct 7, 1789,
Those in power should have a healthy dose of fear of the people. We are the ultimate check and balance in this nation, and that is what was intended. The entire bill of rights is an anti-government document, so is it any wonder why those whom believe they are the final arbitrator of our rights would much rather see this population disarmed?
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06-28-2008, 01:52 PM
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06-28-2008, 01:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marksman08
In a landmark decision yesterday the Supreme Court upheld the individual right to firearms, knocking down the handgun ban in Washington D.C. It is a great victory for not only American gun owners, but for the Constitution as well.
It also demonstrates the stark difference between traditional American values, and what the left thinks is acceptable. There is no way to interpret the second amendment as a collective right. Any sound thinking, non-Obama constitutional scholar will tell you that if you consider the language of the second amendment to be "collective", meaning of course a states right, rather than individualistic, you would than have to consider the rest of the bill of rights as collective rather than individual. Consider the words of the founders themselves as to the collective arguement:
No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
---Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
---Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
[i]The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals...t establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.
---Albert Gallatin to Alexander Addison, Oct 7, 1789,
Those in power should have a healthy dose of fear of the people. We are the ultimate check and balance in this nation, and that is what was intended. The entire bill of rights is an anti-government document, so is it any wonder why those whom believe they are the final arbitrator of our rights would much rather see this population disarmed?
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I said the same thing M/M...4 of the Liberal "Supremes" think they should have the Right to disarm the entire Nation.
Idiots deluxe.
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06-28-2008, 01:55 PM
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It is interesting that Obama supports depriving Constitutional rights of the people instead of ensuring domestic tranquility by locking up the criminals.
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06-28-2008, 01:59 PM
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Its amazing that these Libs think that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishement for a child rapist, but a law abiding gun owner is a threat to the nation.
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06-28-2008, 02:04 PM
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Its amazing that these Libs think that the death penalty is cruel and unusual punishement for a child rapist, but a law abiding gun owner is a threat to the nation.
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It's really NOT that hard to grasp M/M...Keep in mind all the Liberal mentally disabled that'd stand outside a Prison holding a "Candle" for a Convicted Murderer....
But wouldn't raise a finger for the Victim of its Crime. 
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06-28-2008, 02:09 PM
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I thought pedophiles were unable to be rehabilitated. The libs claims retraining will remake a thief into a productive member of society. But the same lib says these pervs can't be cured. So why do they want to keep these bastards around?
Meanwhile for thirty years the abolishing of the Second Amendment in DC stood unchallenged until now, and we still have 4 turd justices who don't understand their duty.
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06-28-2008, 02:11 PM
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I know its just another example of the marxification of the left
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06-28-2008, 02:17 PM
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5-4.......close indeed.
Think for a moment if AlGore or John Kerry, who fought in vietnam, had been elected president....yes its scary...and yes its doubtful that the Supreme Court's decison would have gone the way it did.
Freedom won this time...which means liberalism lost
But next time...possibly with a Barrack (dont call me Hussein) Obama appointing liberal anti gun liberal justices......our gun rights will once again be the democrat bullseye.
Look at Obama's own anti-gun city of Chicago....a liberal utpoia...which of course means its a criminal utopia....if thats the CHANGE you want..vote Obama!
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06-28-2008, 02:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marksman08
In a landmark decision yesterday the Supreme Court upheld the individual right to firearms, knocking down the handgun ban in Washington D.C. It is a great victory for not only American gun owners, but for the Constitution as well.
It also demonstrates the stark difference between traditional American values, and what the left thinks is acceptable. There is no way to interpret the second amendment as a collective right. Any sound thinking, non-Obama constitutional scholar will tell you that if you consider the language of the second amendment to be "collective", meaning of course a states right, rather than individualistic, you would than have to consider the rest of the bill of rights as collective rather than individual. Consider the words of the founders themselves as to the collective arguement:
No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.
---Thomas Jefferson: Draft Virginia Constitution, 1776.
We established however some, although not all its [self-government] important principles . The constitutions of most of our States assert, that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves, in all cases to which they think themselves competent, (as in electing their functionaries executive and legislative, and deciding by a jury of themselves, in all judiciary cases in which any fact is involved,) or they may act by representatives, freely and equally chosen; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed;
---Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.
Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.
---Tenche Coxe, The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
[i]The whole of that Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right of the people at large or considered as individuals...t establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of.
---Albert Gallatin to Alexander Addison, Oct 7, 1789,
Those in power should have a healthy dose of fear of the people. We are the ultimate check and balance in this nation, and that is what was intended. The entire bill of rights is an anti-government document, so is it any wonder why those whom believe they are the final arbitrator of our rights would much rather see this population disarmed?
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Great post. I enjoyed the quotes.
The victory is well worth celebrating
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