5 to 4 is a close call

wow · #31 (**permalink**) 06-29-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Amazed

(smile) You do know you aren't getting into my ass, don't you?

ROLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You read Ass Crow well.

Marksman08 · #32 (**permalink**) 06-29-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jetblast

The ruling will increase the number of children who get killed or horribly injured by guns at home. We in America now share something in common with more primitive cultures in the arab world, that is, proliferation of weapons of violence along with the accompanying attitudes and suffering.

The NRA continues to promote a John Wayne movie reality that doesn't realistically exist in America. The plain truth will always be the less guns the less gun violence along with the accompanying social problems and medical costs.

The worst non-reality is this redneck/Idaho fantasy that guns will protect us from our government when in fact this redneck politic is currently responsible for the worst offenses currently being committed by that same government. There is no real case where American citizens can protect themselves with guns from our government.

More wolf in sheep's clothing fascism posing as Constitutional rights.

Why can't you lefties get it? The D.C. gun Ban was in place for thirty years, and in that time gun crime has only gone up and up and up, making D.C. one of the most dangerous cities in the world. The only ones that were hurt by the gun ban were the law abiding citizens. Criminals that commit gun crime are exactly that criminals, who aren't going to obey the law no matter what it is.
The fact is that States that have adopted concealed carry laws have seen decreases in gun related crime rather than the increases seen in cities with strict gun laws like Washington DC or Chicago.
You should look up the statistics on how many crimes were prevented by citizens with firearms compared to how many gun crimes were actually commited.
I know ofcourse with you lefties facts only get in the way, but its always fun to watch you people try and control every detail of an individuals life, and then turn around and call conservatives fascists.
Citizens with guns will in the future be needed to protect this country from marxist control freaks such as yourself, and the type of tyrannical government you advocate for.

smart makes a comeback · #33 (**permalink**) 06-29-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Marksman08

Why can't you lefties get it? The D.C. gun Ban was in place for thirty years, and in that time gun crime has only gone up and up and up, making D.C. one of the most dangerous cities in the world. The only ones that were hurt by the gun ban were the law abiding citizens. Criminals that commit gun crime are exactly that criminals, who aren't going to obey the law no matter what it is.
The fact is that States that have adopted concealed carry laws have seen decreases in gun related crime rather than the increases seen in cities with strict gun laws like Washington DC or Chicago.
You should look up the statistics on how many crimes were prevented by citizens with firearms compared to how many gun crimes were actually commited.
I know ofcourse with you lefties facts only get in the way, but its always fun to watch you people try and control every detail of an individuals life, and then turn around and call conservatives fascists.Citizens with guns will in the future be needed to protect this country from marxist control freaks such as yourself, and the type of tyrannical government you advocate for.

No Gun regulations, (as thye first 4 words of the 2nd amendment mandates) yet you want final say over the status of a women’s uterus, what books people read, who consenting adults marry, and how they dispose of their flag etc etc etc

You are dead wrong by the way..states with concealed carry laws have almost in every case, higher per capita murder rates then those who dont..I suggest you stop getting your news from talk radio, and NRA newsletters

the fact is you are your ilk are laughable hypocrites, (and yes, neo fascists) who only desire the 'freedom" to deprive other people of theirs

These type of 5-4 decisions are your last flash of power, so savor them while you can.. That decision settles nothing permenently it will be revisited, with a court less steeped in right wing dogma

by the way...you never answered my questions

Explain how the 9th and 10th amendments are not collective, but individual rights.

THEN, explain why your midset is not equivalent to treason and a thereat of domestic terrorism

Lasher · #34 (**permalink**) 06-29-2008, 02:45 PM

5 to 4 is indeed a close call, indicating just how necessary it is to get rid of the liberal jews on the Supreme court.

smart makes a comeback · #35 (**permalink**) 06-29-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback

No Gun regulations, (as thye first 4 words of the 2nd amendment mandates) yet you want final say over the status of a women’s uterus, what books people read, who consenting adults marry, and how they dispose of their flag etc etc etc

You are dead wrong by the way..states with concealed carry laws have almost in every case, higher per capita murder rates then those who dont..I suggest you stop getting your news from talk radio, and NRA newsletters

the fact is you are your ilk are laughable hypocrites, (and yes, neo fascists) who only desire the 'freedom" to deprive other people of theirs

These type of 5-4 decisions are your last flash of power, so savor them while you can.. That decision settles nothing permenently it will be revisited, with a court less steeped in right wing dogma

by the way...you never answered my questions

Explain how the 9th and 10th amendments are not collective, but individual rights.

THEN, explain why your midset is not equivalent to treason and a thereat of domestic terrorism

Below are the top 10 states in per capita murder rates, and nthe rate
Also, a list by region and rate

Now...which of yopu knuckle dragging penis vicarious gun kooks wants to explain why this info TOTALLY DEBUNKS the loose gun laws equals less crime claims ?

Waiting......

Louisiana
12.4

Maryland
9.7

Nevada
9.0

Alabama
8.3

South Carolina
8.3

Mississippi
7.7

Arizona
7.5

Arkansas
7.3

Michigan
7.1

California
6.8

South 6.8

West 5.6

Midwest 5.0

Northeast 4.5

reccles44 · #36 (**permalink**) 06-30-2008, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Marksman08

Why can't you lefties get it? The D.C. gun Ban was in place for thirty years, and in that time gun crime has only gone up and up and up, making D.C. one of the most dangerous cities in the world. The only ones that were hurt by the gun ban were the law abiding citizens. Criminals that commit gun crime are exactly that criminals, who aren't going to obey the law no matter what it is.
The fact is that States that have adopted concealed carry laws have seen decreases in gun related crime rather than the increases seen in cities with strict gun laws like Washington DC or Chicago.
You should look up the statistics on how many crimes were prevented by citizens with firearms compared to how many gun crimes were actually commited.
I know ofcourse with you lefties facts only get in the way, but its always fun to watch you people try and control every detail of an individuals life, and then turn around and call conservatives fascists.
Citizens with guns will in the future be needed to protect this country from marxist control freaks such as yourself, and the type of tyrannical government you advocate for.

I have said that the ban on assault rifles in this country is un-constitutional. Think about it. The cops and military are the only one's allowed to wield these weapons? Not a good thing for citizens who wish to protect themselves from an over zealous government or police state. Not that an assault riffle can beat an armored tank but the point is that giving the government more power than the citizen is not what the Founding Fathers had in mind.

Good grief, places were people have the ability to protect themselves (unless you live in a terrorist state) crime tends to be lower than in places were the citizen has to depend on the state for protection.

smart makes a comeback · #37 (**permalink**) 06-30-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback

Below are the top 10 states in per capita murder rates, and nthe rate
Also, a list by region and rate

Now...which of yopu knuckle dragging penis vicarious gun kooks wants to explain why this info TOTALLY DEBUNKS the loose gun laws equals less crime claims ?

Waiting......

Louisiana
12.4

Maryland
9.7

Nevada
9.0

Alabama
8.3

South Carolina
8.3

Mississippi
7.7

Arizona
7.5

Arkansas
7.3

Michigan
7.1

California
6.8

South 6.8

West 5.6

Midwest 5.0

Northeast 4.5

NO takers huh ?

Wonder why

wow · #38 (**permalink**) 06-30-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback

NO takers huh ?

Wonder why

What do these numbers represent?

Why do you think ONLY murder crimes are the ONLY crimes committed with the use of a gun?

I just pointed out why you have received no responses.

nathanbforrest45 · #39 (**permalink**) 06-30-2008, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by smart makes a comeback

NO takers huh ?

Wonder why

What do you think the meaning of the 2nd Amendment is, from a historical perspective? This is not a trick question, just an attempt at understanding. You see, being a white Southern Republican I tend to believe in the plain reading of a document. To me it states you can't deprive me of my right to bear arms. What does it mean to you and why?

Oh, by the way, please don't blur the question with your bullshit about homosexual rights or women's rights etc etc. If the constitution truly states the federal government can decide who can and can't get married then we need to accept that. Personally, I don't see those issues in the Constitution but thats just me. All I am interested in at this point is your understanding of the 2nd Amendment and why you believe it does not give me the right to own a gun or even a tank for that matter.

wyatt earp · #40 (**permalink**) 06-30-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by reccles44

I have said that the ban on assault rifles in this country is un-constitutional. Think about it. The cops and military are the only one's allowed to wield these weapons? Not a good thing for citizens who wish to protect themselves from an over zealous government or police state. Not that an assault riffle can beat an armored tank but the point is that giving the government more power than the citizen is not what the Founding Fathers had in mind.

Good grief, places were people have the ability to protect themselves (unless you live in a terrorist state) crime tends to be lower than in places were the citizen has to depend on the state for protection.

Hell any one with a brain can get one, or modify one. and Assault weapon is not going to do you any good going up against the U.S. government. the only thing that is going to happen to you is either you die or go to jail.