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Old 06-09-2008, 06:40 AM
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"This unit sets up this traffic control point, and this 18-year-old kid is on top of an armored Humvee with a .50-caliber machine gun," remembered Sgt. Geoffrey Millard, who served in Tikrit with the 42nd Infantry Division. "And this car speeds at him pretty quick and he makes a split-second decision that that's a suicide bomber, and he presses the butterfly trigger and puts two hundred rounds in less than a minute into this vehicle. It killed the mother, a father, and two kids. The boy was aged 4 and the daughter was aged 3.


"And they briefed this to the general," Millard said, "and they briefed it gruesome. I mean, they had pictures. They briefed it to him. And this colonel turns around to this full division staff and says, 'If these f---ing hajis learned to drive, this sh-t wouldn't happen.'"

Millard and tens of thousands of other veterans suffer not only delayed reactions to stress but this crisis of faith. The God they knew, or thought they knew, failed them. The church or the synagogue or the mosque, which promised redemption by serving God and country, did not prepare them for the awful betrayal of this civic religion, for the capacity we all have for human atrocity, because the stories of heroism used to mask the reality of war.

War is always about betrayal: betrayal of the young by the old, of idealists by cynics, and of troops by politicians. This bitter knowledge of betrayal has seeped into the ranks of America's Iraq war veterans. It has unleashed a new wave of disillusioned veterans not seen since the Vietnam War. It has made it possible for us to begin, again, to see war's death mask and understand our complicity in evil.

"And then, you know, my sort of sentiment of, 'What the f--- are we doing,' that I felt that way in Iraq," said Sgt. Ben Flanders, who estimated that he ran hundreds of military convoys in Iraq. "It's the sort of insanity of it and the fact that it reduces it. Well, I think war does anyway, but I felt like there was this enormous reduction in my compassion for people. The only thing that wound up mattering is myself and the guys that I was with. And everybody else be damned, whether you are an Iraqi -- I'm sorry, I'm sorry you live here, I'm sorry this is a terrible situation, and I'm sorry that you have to deal with all of, you know, Army vehicles running around and shooting, and these insurgents and all this stuff."
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Old 06-09-2008, 06:09 PM
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Good article here Patriot. Yes, I'm afraid our troops are deeply into a mess here. I'm not seeing the exit sign either.
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Old 06-09-2008, 07:17 PM
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Hears my take on you Patriot.

You're against the war...but your're 100% behind the troops...but you also have no problem throwing these kids who volunterred to serve their country under the bus to make political debating points.

Tell you what you fucking piece of shit, I'll let you win this debate, just get off these kids' backs.
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Old 06-09-2008, 08:07 PM
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'If these f---ing hajis learned to drive, this sh-t wouldn't happen.'
Exactly right. I wouldn't try to speed up and plow through a checkpoint, they knew it was coming.
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