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That doesnty mea shit. A collective of individuals..still are repsonsicibe for whats done in their name
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Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.
Everything you just said is total bullshit
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That doesnty mea shit. A collective of individuals..still are repsonsicibe for whats done in their name
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05-20-2008, 11:59 AM
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Cussing out low class inbreds isnt uninteligent, its honest
Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.
Everything you just said is total bullshit
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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05-20-2008, 12:01 PM
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05-20-2008, 12:04 PM
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Cussing out low class inbreds isnt uninteligent, its honest
Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.
Everything you just said is total bullshit
Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
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05-20-2008, 12:26 PM
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[quote=steve k;424934] Bashers Beware
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, May 19, 2008 4:20 PM PT
The Presidency: It takes little courage — or brains — to join the mob vilifying President Bush. But the Democrats (and Republicans, too) depicting him as villain will one day regret it.
Not bloody likely. Even if he is somehow vindicated... regret will not be on the table.
In the eyes of members of both parties, George W. Bush seems to be the cause of everything from the recent GOP special election losses to a flagging economy to today's bad weather.
Has anyone heard of Bush being blamed for today's bad weather? A simpletons tactic for trivializing the issues of economy and crucial (and telling) election losses is to add something ridiculous at the end, thus reducing the entire sentence to spew.
Barack Obama plans to reach the White House by claiming the presidency of Sen. John McCain would amount to a third Bush term. McCain, meanwhile, seems to think it a wise campaign strategy to highlight his differences with the president, such as outgreening the greens on global warming.
And what's wrong with that? Anyone here ever heard of "preventative medicine"? Why wait till you know if you have full blown flu or just a cold... treat it now. Same goes for the environment. Americans have trouble thinking further than 5-10 years down the line. But consider that you are charged with leaving the planet in at least as good a shape as you found it for the COMING GENERATIONS. To do otherwise is to condemn your children and their children to a potential hell on earth. Taking steps to preserve our beautiful planet might be a bit inconvenient at times, but doing nothing or continuing failed policy will certainly not help anyone down the line... but eh, who cares, not your problem right? Let the future deal with it.
Rep. Tom Davis, former chairman of the National Republican Congressional Committee, reflected the panic engulfing many Republicans in Congress last week when he called President Bush "absolutely radioactive" and warned, "They've got to get some separation from the president" if they want to win this November.
They should have thought of that when they were acting as a rubber stamp congress for seven years. Typically (of both parties), they don't worry about it until election time and pray that the short memory of Americans, their poor understanding of how their government ACTUALLY works, their disdain for anything not entertaining and apathy is enough to carry through.
How about a dose of reality?
Note: Reality is found in Blue
On the economy, there are indications the sun is coming out after a fairly mild economic storm. More data are showing a recession will be avoided, and it looks like a new bull market in stocks began in March after a short and shallow bear.
How wonderful for corporate America. Meanwhile in the real world, millions of Americans are losing their homes.
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The data didn't surprise economists, who expect foreclosures to continue to rise through most of this year despite government and industry efforts to keep borrowers in their homes. The announcement came the same day as a Federal Reserve study showing that last year, owner equity in U.S. homes fell below 50 percent, meaning it is exceeded by mortgage debt, for the first time since 1945.
Mortgage Foreclosures Reach All-Time High
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In addition, we have been conditioned to accept a perpetual inflation that reduces the value of each dollar we earn and spend. Why? Because the only way to grow an economy in a debt based system is to print more paper, making your paper worth less (or nearly worthless).
Indications you say? BAH! Show me the proof
The report earlier this month of 20,000 jobs lost in April was far better than had been expected, and unemployment remains low at 5%.
Now how about counting all the people that have run through the gov't unemployment circus and are no longer on the roles because of the way the gov't runs the numbers. I'm betting it's closer to 8% or higher. And the jobs that have been created are nowhere near the quality of jobs lost. America is quickly becoming known for producing little more than hamburgers. Great Job! These figures also don't include those who are looking for full-time employment but can only find part-time. Nor those that are "self" employed for no other reason than they can't find jobs in their fields with traditional companies.
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The Bureau of Labor Statistics measures employment in two ways. The Establishment Survey gathers data directly from 400,000 companies and then estimates how many Americans have payroll jobs. The Household Survey, based on surveys of 60,000 households, determines how many people are working and produces the unemployment rate. Occasionally, the two surveys show divergent trends in job growth—especially when an economy is coming out of recession. Why the unemployment rate is really higher than it looks.
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05-20-2008, 12:26 PM
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There is undeniably a lot of gloom and doom out there, with the Reuters/University of Michigan sentiment index at a 26-year low. But the National Association for Business Economics announced Monday that it expects the current downturn to be mild and brief.
NABE "anticipates a significant pickup in the second half" with real GDP for 2009 projected to be 2.9%. It may not even classify this downturn as a recession at all.
For the resilience of this economy, we can thank the president. He pushed substantial tax cuts on income and investment through Congress, which were followed by four years of growth, generating over 8 million jobs.
8 million jobs? Where did this guy get his numbers? Complete fiction, but let's pretend it's accurate for a minute. Were these comparable jobs to the ones lost? Not even close...
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Sluggish private job growth indicates failure of tax cuts
Changes in tax law since 2001 reduced federal government revenue by $870 billion through September 2005. Supporters of these tax cuts have touted them as great contributors to growth in jobs and pay. But, in reality, private-sector job growth since 2001 has been disappointing, and a closer look at the new jobs created shows that federal spending—not tax cuts—are responsible for the jobs created in the past five years.
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Another pointed indicator of this phenomenon is the sharp increase in involuntary part-time workers: those who want a full-time job but can only find part-time work. At 5.2 million, this indicator of under-employment is up 850,000 over the past year. At 3.6% of total employment, involuntary part-time work is the highest it has been since November 2005.
The Economic Policy Institute JOBS PICTURE
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The president also can be thanked for appointing Ben Bernanke, chairman of his Council of Economic Advisers, to succeed Alan Greenspan as Federal Reserve chief. Bernanke has moved on several fronts to keep the economy afloat — including creatively making more credit available to combat the subprime mortgage crisis.
Yeah, the only creative thing Bernanke has done is engineer a takeover of a failed bank by one of the good old boy legacy banks, a partner in the Federal Reserve system. In part to eliminate a thorn in Morgans side (Bears Stearns was outside the old boy network) and in part to stave off a complete financial meltdown that would have followed had Stearns bought the farm. Few realize how close we came to a global economic catastrophe. Mind you, had Bernanke had the best interest of everyone in mind, it would have extended the credit needed to Stearns to keep it's doors open. That is, after all, one of it's primary roles, as lender of last resort. Instead, he did his buddies a favor and engineered a bargain basement takeover of an independent.
Ben (and our elected public servants) have done NOTHING to help the citizens losing their homes in this credit crisis. GO BEN! no really... GO... Get out and take the Bushies with you.
As for national security, Obama keeps saying the war in Iraq and the rest of the administration's foreign and defense policy have, as he put it last week in South Dakota, "prevented us from making this country safe." But the country is safer than anyone expected after 9/11.
Tired, tired, tired old line. How about this... there was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq prior to our invasion. In fact, we did more to bolster their recruiting than anything else could have possibly done, it was THEIR Pearl Harbor... GET IT?! Quadrupling their ranks. Moderate Arabs and Muslims, entire countries have gone from merely tolerating us, to hating us. It really doesn't matter how you view the war and our reasons for waging it, a moron could have told you prior to the invasion that the Arabs would see it as a holy war and respond in that fashion. Being attacked by foreigners is a given. It was absolutely understood at the creation of this country, which is why we have the right to be armed citizens. I don't need protection from sleeper cells, I demand protection from my government.
Do I feel safe that I will be able to stay in my home while the gov't prattles with the economy? Nope.
Do I feel safe that my job and the company that employs me will be there in a year? Nope.
Do I feel safe that I am secure in my privacy, personal thoughts and possessions? Nope.
DO I feel that the American dream is safe and alive despite the FACT that the divide between the uber "haves" and the almost "have nots" is increasing at an exponential rate? Not even close.
Do I feel safe because we are blowing half a trillion a year merely holding our own in a war against a ragtag, indoctrinated group of insurgents? Ah... NO.
Do I feel safe because we have shown the world that our "most powerful military on the planet" can't bring a country in absolute shambles under control thus giving sign that we are not to be all that feared after all? NO!
Do I feel safe because we spend $300 billion a year on domestic security to keep a sleeper cell of 6-10 idiots with homemade bombs from blowing up a shopping mall? Not really, no.
There has not been a single terrorist attack on the homeland, and we have instead foiled multiple terrorist plots to kill innocent Americans. America has succeeded in foiling these plots because Bush gave the National Security Agency the authority to monitor any and all communications of suspected terrorists, by telephone, e-mail or other means.
Interesting that 95% of these alleged threats have been quietly let go, not brought to trial, not convicted, etc. Largely because there was never a threat to begin with. But what if the Anthrax scare, that happened, and not a shred of evidence has been produced to say they even have a clue who did it. What a FANTASTIC program the NSA has. It happened in our nations capital, in the back yard of the NSA, CIA, FBI etc... and yet... Great timing though, the patriot act would have never passed without those wiley terrorists mailing anthrax to our public servants on capital hill.
The president also gave authorization for the CIA to employ tough interrogation methods on terrorists in custody, to the extent of transporting those detainees to secret locations abroad.
"tough interrogation methods", it's called TORTURE. Sure, it's an awfully attractive method for getting to hear what you want to hear. But we have a tradition in this country of treating our aggressors better than they would treat us. It's called principle. It's called human rights (of which we are supposed to be the champions of). It called TAKING THE HIGH ROAD! What Bush "authorized" was a national disgrace. It doesn't matter what your feelings are on the subject, it's the mind and rational that must prevail, or we are no better than they.
"transporting those detainees to secret locations abroad." Abroad.. ie; to locations that aren't bound by the legalities that we hold dear. The principles that made us the envy of the world. Beyond the prying eyes of those that would scream FOUL! There is no honor in this.
As we have prevented the terrorists from taking their jihad to the U.S., we have taken the global war on terror to the terrorists' home soil.
Two small problem here... a) the terrorists home soil is NOT the soil we have brought the fight to. These guys are from Syria, SAUDI ARABIA, Iran, Pakistan and others. , b) But it IS the home soil of MILLIONS of peace loving innocents. We have killed more of these average citizens than we have terrorists, thus turning once indifferent people into rabid haters of the American way of life. Whew, I feel safer already.
We have given Muslims in the Middle East the opportunity for freedom in Iraq, proving that we are willing to spill our blood and expend our own resources to defend our interests as we promote their liberty.
What interests can we legitimately claim in a sovereign country? Would China have a legitimate interest in reducing our consumption of oil so the rest of the world can get a leg up? The sentence above is extremely telling and thinly veiled. Liberty is a potential side benefit and of secondary consideration of our corporate controlled government's need to keep the oil flowing... at any cost! And for this they should be thankful?
When faced with the entire Washington establishment demanding an end to the war — including his own father's secretary of state, James Baker — President Bush stuck to his guns, placed a new general in charge and employed a surge strategy that is now winning the war in Iraq in resounding fashion.
Oh, NOW we're winning the war in resounding fashion? Over five years later? Why then is McSame saying we will be there for another five years?
This is the supposed albatross Republicans are so intent on distancing themselves from and which Democrats believe to be the key to victory in November. The facts of the last seven years tell a different story.[/quote]
HERE IS YOUR REALITY CHECK... These are not FACTS, they are loose interpretations of the whole facts. To this guy, fact says that Barney is a purple dinosaur. The whole fact is that Barney is a lame ass dressed in a fuzzy purple suit, that dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, and to the best of our knowledge, none of them where purple or were able to annoy adults by singing patronizing songs in English.
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05-20-2008, 12:47 PM
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Back atcha-excellent rebuttal. Couldn't have said it better myself. That anyone would still defend this administration for any reason is beyond me.
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05-20-2008, 01:01 PM
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You might as well do something constructive with your time. You sure as shit can't debate or even conjur up an intelligent sentence.
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Don't worry about Ass Crack. One of these days here's what's going to happen: He's going to wake up, roll out of his mother's bed and realize he has nothing to live for. Then he's going to put a gun to his ass and blow his brains out.
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05-20-2008, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Back Atcha
There is undeniably a lot of gloom and doom out there, with the Reuters/University of Michigan sentiment index at a 26-year low. But the National Association for Business Economics announced Monday that it expects the current downturn to be mild and brief.
NABE "anticipates a significant pickup in the second half" with real GDP for 2009 projected to be 2.9%. It may not even classify this downturn as a recession at all.
For the resilience of this economy, we can thank the president. He pushed substantial tax cuts on income and investment through Congress, which were followed by four years of growth, generating over 8 million jobs.
8 million jobs? Where did this guy get his numbers? Complete fiction, but let's pretend it's accurate for a minute. Were these comparable jobs to the ones lost? Not even close...
The president also can be thanked for appointing Ben Bernanke, chairman of his Council of Economic Advisers, to succeed Alan Greenspan as Federal Reserve chief. Bernanke has moved on several fronts to keep the economy afloat — including creatively making more credit available to combat the subprime mortgage crisis.
Yeah, the only creative thing Bernanke has done is engineer a takeover of a failed bank by one of the good old boy legacy banks, a partner in the Federal Reserve system. In part to eliminate a thorn in Morgans side (Bears Stearns was outside the old boy network) and in part to stave off a complete financial meltdown that would have followed had Stearns bought the farm. Few realize how close we came to a global economic catastrophe. Mind you, had Bernanke had the best interest of everyone in mind, it would have extended the credit needed to Stearns to keep it's doors open. That is, after all, one of it's primary roles, as lender of last resort. Instead, he did his buddies a favor and engineered a bargain basement takeover of an independent.
Ben (and our elected public servants) have done NOTHING to help the citizens losing their homes in this credit crisis. GO BEN! no really... GO... Get out and take the Bushies with you.
As for national security, Obama keeps saying the war in Iraq and the rest of the administration's foreign and defense policy have, as he put it last week in South Dakota, "prevented us from making this country safe." But the country is safer than anyone expected after 9/11.
Tired, tired, tired old line. How about this... there was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq prior to our invasion. In fact, we did more to bolster their recruiting than anything else could have possibly done, it was THEIR Pearl Harbor... GET IT?! Quadrupling their ranks. Moderate Arabs and Muslims, entire countries have gone from merely tolerating us, to hating us. It really doesn't matter how you view the war and our reasons for waging it, a moron could have told you prior to the invasion that the Arabs would see it as a holy war and respond in that fashion. Being attacked by foreigners is a given. It was absolutely understood at the creation of this country, which is why we have the right to be armed citizens. I don't need protection from sleeper cells, I demand protection from my government.
Do I feel safe that I will be able to stay in my home while the gov't prattles with the economy? Nope.
Do I feel safe that my job and the company that employs me will be there in a year? Nope.
Do I feel safe that I am secure in my privacy, personal thoughts and possessions? Nope.
DO I feel that the American dream is safe and alive despite the FACT that the divide between the uber "haves" and the almost "have nots" is increasing at an exponential rate? Not even close.
Do I feel safe because we are blowing half a trillion a year merely holding our own in a war against a ragtag, indoctrinated group of insurgents? Ah... NO.
Do I feel safe because we have shown the world that our "most powerful military on the planet" can't bring a country in absolute shambles under control thus giving sign that we are not to be all that feared after all? NO!
Do I feel safe because we spend $300 billion a year on domestic security to keep a sleeper cell of 6-10 idiots with homemade bombs from blowing up a shopping mall? Not really, no.
There has not been a single terrorist attack on the homeland, and we have instead foiled multiple terrorist plots to kill innocent Americans. America has succeeded in foiling these plots because Bush gave the National Security Agency the authority to monitor any and all communications of suspected terrorists, by telephone, e-mail or other means.
Interesting that 95% of these alleged threats have been quietly let go, not brought to trial, not convicted, etc. Largely because there was never a threat to begin with. But what if the Anthrax scare, that happened, and not a shred of evidence has been produced to say they even have a clue who did it. What a FANTASTIC program the NSA has. It happened in our nations capital, in the back yard of the NSA, CIA, FBI etc... and yet... Great timing though, the patriot act would have never passed without those wiley terrorists mailing anthrax to our public servants on capital hill.
The president also gave authorization for the CIA to employ tough interrogation methods on terrorists in custody, to the extent of transporting those detainees to secret locations abroad.
"tough interrogation methods", it's called TORTURE. Sure, it's an awfully attractive method for getting to hear what you want to hear. But we have a tradition in this country of treating our aggressors better than they would treat us. It's called principle. It's called human rights (of which we are supposed to be the champions of). It called TAKING THE HIGH ROAD! What Bush "authorized" was a national disgrace. It doesn't matter what your feelings are on the subject, it's the mind and rational that must prevail, or we are no better than they.
"transporting those detainees to secret locations abroad." Abroad.. ie; to locations that aren't bound by the legalities that we hold dear. The principles that made us the envy of the world. Beyond the prying eyes of those that would scream FOUL! There is no honor in this.
As we have prevented the terrorists from taking their jihad to the U.S., we have taken the global war on terror to the terrorists' home soil.
Two small problem here... a) the terrorists home soil is NOT the soil we have brought the fight to. These guys are from Syria, SAUDI ARABIA, Iran, Pakistan and others. , b) But it IS the home soil of MILLIONS of peace loving innocents. We have killed more of these average citizens than we have terrorists, thus turning once indifferent people into rabid haters of the American way of life. Whew, I feel safer already.
We have given Muslims in the Middle East the opportunity for freedom in Iraq, proving that we are willing to spill our blood and expend our own resources to defend our interests as we promote their liberty.
What interests can we legitimately claim in a sovereign country? Would China have a legitimate interest in reducing our consumption of oil so the rest of the world can get a leg up? The sentence above is extremely telling and thinly veiled. Liberty is a potential side benefit and of secondary consideration of our corporate controlled government's need to keep the oil flowing... at any cost! And for this they should be thankful?
When faced with the entire Washington establishment demanding an end to the war — including his own father's secretary of state, James Baker — President Bush stuck to his guns, placed a new general in charge and employed a surge strategy that is now winning the war in Iraq in resounding fashion.
Oh, NOW we're winning the war in resounding fashion? Over five years later? Why then is McSame saying we will be there for another five years?
This is the supposed albatross Republicans are so intent on distancing themselves from and which Democrats believe to be the key to victory in November. The facts of the last seven years tell a different story.
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HERE IS YOUR REALITY CHECK... These are not FACTS, they are loose interpretations of the whole facts. To this guy, fact says that Barney is a purple dinosaur. The whole fact is that Barney is a lame ass dressed in a fuzzy purple suit, that dinosaurs died out 65 million years ago, and to the best of our knowledge, none of them where purple or were able to annoy adults by singing patronizing songs in English. [/quote]
Man, is this guy full of himself or what? Come to think of it, the more you read of the above it's not just himself he's full of.
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