Another Side To Bush bashing

A. Crowley · #11 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 08:39 AM

"in fairness there were other reason to go in there besides WMD's and that's what I supported."

Such as?

When?

Heckler · #12 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by steve k

As far as being in Iraq at all, I stand by my earlier statement. had I known that Rumsfeld and Co. would have been so ill-prepared during the initial invasion (& subsequent 4 years) then I'd be with you. However, in fairness there were other reason to go in there besides WMD's and that's what I supported.

one word: oil

A. Crowley · #13 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 08:40 AM

Let me guess....

Shock and AWE.

sachem · #14 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 08:44 AM

Warrantless wire taps.

Judge rebukes wiretap program - Security - MSNBC.com

Although this does not 'prove' them illegal, it does say something about them.

Mueller: Ashcroft was 'feeble' in hospital : US World

sachem · #15 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by steve k

If you want specifics, we can get into that. Katrina has enough blame for EVERYONE. Bush was at fault as were the local leaders. If you'd like to re-visit that, fine with me.

You and I can disagree as to whether terrorists have rights. In principal, I suppose your right but emotionally I think your wrong. Again, you may be a better person than I in that regard.

As far as being in Iraq at all, I stand by my earlier statement. had I known that Rumsfeld and Co. would have been so ill-prepared during the initial invasion (& subsequent 4 years) then I'd be with you. However, in fairness there were other reason to go in there besides WMD's and that's what I supported.

I do agree that Katrina had many 'guilty' parties. There was no reason to go into Iraq.

A. Crowley · #16 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 08:49 AM

We know they were illegal.

That's why Dubya stood before us all and assured the nation that judicial oversight was still in usage, and that "nothing has changed".

Bil_Stunbmun · #17 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by steve k

Bashers Beware
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Monday, May 19, 2008 4:20 PM PT

The Presidency: It takes little courage — or brains — to join the mob vilifying President Bush. But the Democrats (and Republicans, too) depicting him as villain will one day regret it.

We Democrats are way smart. Studies show that we are better educated than evil fascist neocon Republicans.

Take me, I double majored in underwater basket weaving with the secondary emphasis on striation of weaves. Then went on to get my PhD in the study of Titsi fly migration patterns in Antarctica. I dropped acid and wrote my dissertation on the color patterns emmitted from the lace wings of the Titsi fly - and this is doubly impressive because there are no Titsi flys in Antarctica!

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On the economy, there are indications the sun is coming out after a fairly mild economic storm. More data are showing a recession will be avoided, and it looks like a new bull market in stocks began in March after a short and shallow bear.

That's really bad news for us Democrats. We need people to lose jobs and their homes.

If you are a good and faithful Democrat, quit your job for Obama

I'd quit my job, but I've never had a job. I get my SSI check every month, thanks to the greatest man who ever lived, Bill Clinton.

We need the economy to tank, we need misery. It is the duty of Democrats to create misery so that our beloved rulers can take power from the evil fascist neocon Republicans.

Quit your job for Obama!!

Bil_Stunbmun · #18 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by A. Crowley

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Worst President Ever!

See, I like you, comrade. You are smart and logical.

Not like those evil fascist neocon Republicans who get all emotional and call names and never make arguments of substance.

reccles44 · #19 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by steve k

Illegal wire-tapping, eh? That's what your going to hang your hat on? Who was tortured by the way that hasn't been tried and convicted where necessary. Give me dates and specific examples. And as far as the war goes, I agree with you on the basis that had I known the way it would have been fought until the surge I would have never have supported it. However, since the surge despite what you would like to have everyone else believe there has been progress. It always amazes me that people like yourself are more interested in the "rights" of those trying to kill your brothers and sisters fighting in distant lands than you are in American lives.Who know? Maybe that makes you a better person than me.

Steve, the point here is that facts don't matter to those who live in a fantacy world. They hate Bush simply because he beat them at their own game during his election against their hero Gore.

I don't agree with everything Bush has done, but i am glad he was sitting by that phone instead of Gore when the crap hit the fan.

I do not like the Patriot Act at all. I think it is a major violation of the Constitution however, to tap phone conversations of non-citizens that have to do with the war on terror has my vote.

As for torture, this is war. I do not know where people get this notion we have to be humane during war with those who want to kill you. This is just stupid. We have war rules? Come on.

"You can kill me this way but not that way." How ridiculous is that. Dead is dead. If you have to put pain to someone to prevent more deaths, then I am for it. Yes there are non-torture ways to get information but when those methods fail to get what you need, then more drastic measures are needed.

Whoever said torture doesn't work, doesn't know their history of human warfare and intelligence gathering. Torture has been used effectively for centuries.

Simply put, if Gore did exactly the same thing as Bush has done, you would be hearing how bold and great he is. This really has nothing to do with the war on terror but everything to do with the fact they just can't get past the 2000 election.

Remember these same people called Reagan a dolt and idiot too. But guess who brought down the USSR? Not Carter.

Heckler · #20 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by reccles44

Steve, the point here is that facts don't matter to those who live in a fantacy world. They hate Bush simply because he beat them at their own game during his election against their hero Gore.

I don't agree with everything Bush has done, but i am glad he was sitting by that phone instead of Gore when the crap hit the fan.

I do not like the Patriot Act at all. I think it is a major violation of the Constitution however, to tap phone conversations of non-citizens that have to do with the war on terror has my vote.

As for torture, this is war. I do not know where people get this notion we have to be humane during war with those who want to kill you. This is just stupid. We have war rules? Come on.

"You can kill me this way but not that way." How ridiculous is that. Dead is dead. If you have to put pain to someone to prevent more deaths, then I am for it. Yes there are non-torture ways to get information but when those methods fail to get what you need, then more drastic measures are needed.

Whoever said torture doesn't work, doesn't know their history of human warfare and intelligence gathering. Torture has been used effectively for centuries.

Simply put, if Gore did exactly the same thing as Bush has done, you would be hearing how bold and great he is. This really has nothing to do with the war on terror but everything to do with the fact they just can't get past the 2000 election.

Remember these same people called Reagan a dolt and idiot too. But guess who brought down the USSR? Not Carter.

Torture is unreliable...you won't always get the truth, but you will get what you WANT TO HEAR. Not the same thing by any stretch.

Oh, and if you don't take the moral high road, you can't claim the moral high ground....so much for ethics eh?

Reagan happened to be in the White House after a prolonged "cold war."
The collapse of the Soviet Union took place after decades.....he just presided over the era when it finally collapsed....