US soldier refuses to serve in â€˜illegal Iraq warâ€™

noneof yourbusiness · #**151** (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:29 PM

yeahh. More of the same...nuthin.

Carson · #**152** (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

yeahh. More of the same...nuthin.

zero just like what you got

itsplayed · #**153** (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?

You certainly have the right to pick and choose which parts of his statement you wish to accept.

Not really, Blix was relying on Saddam's compliance which was proven to be non-existent....his refusal to accept Bush's last chance offer, proved as much. Had Saddam been in more agreement with the offer, than I may have seen the point in dragging it out for a few more months..... Saddam however, had no intention of doing so.

areyoushittin'me? · #**154** (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tileman

Just some more FYI--- The UN passes resolutions based on a MAJORITY and there were I think 14 resolutions passed stating Military can be used as force against Iraq. For a very long time the anti war crowd in Iraq was a minority among United Nations participants.

Well then...you should easily be able to find the text to support your statement regarding use of military force....care to give it a try?

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By the unanimous adoption of resolution 1441 (2002), the Council instructed the resumed inspections to begin within 45 days, and also decided it would convene immediately upon the receipt of any reports from inspection authorities that Iraq was interfering with their activities. It recalled, in that context, that the Council had repeatedly warned Iraq that it would face "serious consequences" as a result of continued violations.

You can interpret "serious consequences" to mean use of the Military but the reality of it is that would require going back for a further declaration...one that Bush tried to go after and gave up on because he wasn't going to get it.

areyoushittin'me? · #**155** (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by itsplayed

Not really, Blix was relying on Saddam's compliance which was proven to be non-existent....his refusal to accept Bush's last chance offer, proved as much. Had Saddam been in more agreement with the offer, than I may have seen the point in dragging it out for a few more months..... Saddam however, had no intention of doing so.

Non-existant? Blix said progress was being made, just not full compliance as yet.

Saddam said he had nothing...we found nothing.

What final offer are you referring to? That Saddam and his sons leave the country?

Well, we chose to not drag it out for a few more months...we opted for years.

George O Well · #**156** (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:45 PM

Yeah, he's chickenshit. I don't suppose you read the part where he's already served in Afghanistan, Germany, Japan, and the Philippines, huh?

George O Well · #**157** (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:49 PM

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Rasta, please prove to me that the war in Iraq is an illegal one.

At the very least, those GIs are illegal aliens, eh? No government there has issued them work permits.

itsplayed · #**158** (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?

Non-existant? Blix said progress was being made, just not full compliance as yet.

Saddam said he had nothing...we found nothing.

What final offer are you referring to? That Saddam and his sons leave the country?

Well, we chose to not drag it out for a few more months...we opted for years.

C'mon, not a full compliance after 12 plus years! Silly cat and mouse games with inspectors, taking pot shots at fighters enforcing the no-fly zones, abusing the oil for food program.....Where/when would it end?
Besides, the US and it's allies were still technically at war with Iraq since Iraq was forced out of Kuwait. The US and it's allies had every right to call Saddam to task and after 12 plus years they did.

areyoushittin'me? · #**159** (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by itsplayed

C'mon, not a full compliance after 12 plus years! Silly cat and mouse games with inspectors, taking pot shots at fighters enforcing the no-fly zones, abusing the oil for food program.....Where/when would it end?
Besides, the US and it's allies were still technically at war with Iraq since Iraq was forced out of Kuwait. The US and it's allies had every right to call Saddam to task and after 12 plus years they did.

Saddam was a bad guy, no doubt...we knew that when we supported him in the war with Iran.

If you are going to fall back on the '91 Gulf War as justification for taking out Saddam then you should also recognize that we got support of the UN and the other countries of the region only if we agreed to not take out Saddam...do you know why that is?

Inspections had recently resumed and we should have let them play out.

Personally, I would have dealt with Saddam differently...I wrote about it some years ago on other forums...I will go see if I can find a copy.

areyoushittin'me? · #**160** (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by areyoushittin'me?

Personally, I would have dealt with Saddam differently...I wrote about it some years ago on other forums...I will go see if I can find a copy.

Here it is...something I wrote back in '04, before we got Saddam...

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If I were Prez on 9/11

We can all see through our variously tinted lenses what is going on...we've had plenty of claims made about each of us from many perspectives...I know I personally have been accused of not offering an alternative to the BushCo 'plan'...yet never once have I been directly asked what would I have done differently.

How many have ever pondered this?

What do you do... ...oh shit, what do I do?

After 9/11 we determined that we had to do something about a very real enemy which we identify as terrorists...but in particular AQ and OBL...of course there is a bigger picture...shit there is an axis of evil of sorts...I would not have drawn a line in the sand but I did have the support of most of the world to launch a WoT...I'll guarantee you one thing OBL is toast.

We go into Afghanistan and deal with something that is accepted as necessary by most of the world...unfortunately we don't really send enough troops and provide the elements to come up with an acceptable alternative so the country gets overrun with poppy's...very lovely but not necessarily good for mankind...and it provides funds to many war lords who we need to be a part of the solution, not only that but chances are a good bit of the money probably filters into terrorists hands...not good...I would have put many more boots (military and humanitarian) on the ground and put more effort into hunting down bin-Laden.

This is where Bush started screwing up because he was lead by a bunch of people fanatical about getting Saddam out of power and besides, they have a bigger plan...and a message from God...yeehaw were invincible.

Anyway...as far as dealing with Saddam...yes he was a problem (and still is) let's face it, Rummy doesn't want him to stand up in court and talk about why they were both in a picture shaking hands, etc and so on so...well, we'll deal with that when we get to it...besides we'll be liberators and they will be sticking flowers in the barrels of our guns...maybe the Afghans can sell them poppy's.

What I would have done is handled Saddam very differently and I'd be curious to have people pick apart my plan.

Of course I would have had speech writers to smooth the rough edges to present it a bit more diplomatically but since I don't, read between the lines...

I would have gone to the UN and said alright...Saddam needs to come into full compliance...we've recently renewed inspections and making limited progress but it's not good enough...I'm tired of diddling around.

You chicken fuckers say you need more time...according to Mr. Blix he doesn't need years nor weeks but months...I'll give him two months and if we do not have FULL compliance from Saddam...I'm gonna fuck him up...he will yield or else.

I'm a bit busy right now in Afghanistan and I appreciate the support we've got there and I'd rather not have to go into Iraq militarily so here is what I'm gonna do...if in 2 months when we get another report from Mr. Blix, it does not indicate some real progress , that following Sunday evening shortly after sundown I'm gonna destroy one of his palaces...(kinda like a target of opportunity - eight seconds - $70 Million)...a little shock and awe should get their attention...no collateral damage.

During the week leading up to that Sunday I'm going to drop leaflets letting the citizens of Iraq know what a prick their leader is and also let them know to evacuate the area in the vicinity of the palace...details to follow.

Along with that in order to win the hearts and minds we are going to increase shipments of humanitarian aid.

When I run out of palaces, Ill get back to you...see ya.

This would have saved Billions upon Billions of dollars that could be used to greater benefit in the ongoing WoT which is far from over...I would also be putting more money into finding alternatives in order to lessen our future dependance on foreign oil.