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wolf_22 · #21 (**permalink**) 05-17-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kgpoolerev

If there are politics involved there will always be someone who does not want the person honored. Even a terrorist like Osama bin Laden would have supporters at universities.

When people who brag about being tolerant are being intolerant I will call bullshit on them, just as in this case. I will say they need to learn to be more tolerant to opinions they do not like.

The Duke professors should never have done what they did. They rushed to judge the young men guilty because they were well to do and white while the 'victim' was poor and black. To make it worse one of the men used the 'n' word so they just HAD to be guilty. I used the Duke case to show my contempt for the staff at universities. They tend to be a bunch of liberals who want to shut up all opinions that differ from theirs.

no osama won't have supporters. and they could easily choose someone either apolitical or non-controversal. at the very least someone who doesn't draw in thousand of people who protest. most other schools who do this have it go off without a hitch or protest. obviously its possible to choose someone who doesn't cause strife.

I'm not saying everyone will agree. were they to choose a sport's writer and I was there, I'd want someone else because I'm not into sports. but I wouldn't protest. I'm just be polite as I hear his speech and try not to look too bored.
disagreeing and feeling the need to protest are two different things.

and most people are tolerant of listening, not honoring.

universities come in all different forms liberla and conservative. Duke isn't all that liberal. frankly there was a lot of evidence against them and with the way campus rape is treated (or ignored) its nice that they felt the need to stand up and condemn it. sadly they were condemning something that never happened, but they had good intentions.

kgpoolerev · #22 (**permalink**) 05-18-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

no osama won't have supporters. and they could easily choose someone either apolitical or non-controversal. at the very least someone who doesn't draw in thousand of people who protest. most other schools who do this have it go off without a hitch or protest. obviously its possible to choose someone who doesn't cause strife.

I'm not saying everyone will agree. were they to choose a sport's writer and I was there, I'd want someone else because I'm not into sports. but I wouldn't protest. I'm just be polite as I hear his speech and try not to look too bored.
disagreeing and feeling the need to protest are two different things.

and most people are tolerant of listening, not honoring.

universities come in all different forms liberla and conservative. Duke isn't all that liberal. frankly there was a lot of evidence against them and with the way campus rape is treated (or ignored) its nice that they felt the need to stand up and condemn it. sadly they were condemning something that never happened, but they had good intentions.

Look at the nuts on AWE who support Hitler even today. There are nuts that support Osama bin Laden. Many liberal universities would be happy to honor him for his heroic fight against the evil Bush. Ignoring the fact that the 9/11 attacks were planned and started during Bill Clinton's presidency. There are nuts at universties who even claim the vicitims on 9/11 had it coming, think Ward Churchill.

There are very few conservative universities as universities have become liberal bastions of intolerance. What evidence against the Duke players? The photo lineup where the accuser ided one of the players as guilty if he had a mustache. Another who was not at the party when the 'rape' occurred. Real solid evidence for the 80 professors. Their hearts were in the wrong place, they convicted the players in the paper despite all the evidence that there was no crime.

wolf_22 · #23 (**permalink**) 05-19-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kgpoolerev

Look at the nuts on AWE who support Hitler even today. There are nuts that support Osama bin Laden. Many liberal universities would be happy to honor him for his heroic fight against the evil Bush. Ignoring the fact that the 9/11 attacks were planned and started during Bill Clinton's presidency. There are nuts at universties who even claim the vicitims on 9/11 had it coming, think Ward Churchill.

There are very few conservative universities as universities have become liberal bastions of intolerance. What evidence against the Duke players? The photo lineup where the accuser ided one of the players as guilty if he had a mustache. Another who was not at the party when the 'rape' occurred. Real solid evidence for the 80 professors. Their hearts were in the wrong place, they convicted the players in the paper despite all the evidence that there was no crime.

no university would honor bin laden. get a grip.

anyone who thinks someone is a rapist and takes a stand, has their heart in the right place. that was a horrible incident, but considering how often we ignore rapes on campus it was nice to see people both talking about it and condemning it.

kgpoolerev · #24 (**permalink**) 05-20-2008, 06:50 PM

The outrage might stop it, but that does not mean that many libs would not like to do so.

Anyone who ignores the evidence to condemn innocent men is not worthy of respect. Their hearts were in looking good and feeling better about themselves and not about condemning campus rapes. There are a lot of rapes and more of them need to be reported but there is a stigma attached to being a rape victim and the 80 jackasses at Duke made it harder by their actions.

wolf_22 · #25 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kgpoolerev

The outrage might stop it, but that does not mean that many libs would not like to do so.

Anyone who ignores the evidence to condemn innocent men is not worthy of respect. Their hearts were in looking good and feeling better about themselves and not about condemning campus rapes. There are a lot of rapes and more of them need to be reported but there is a stigma attached to being a rape victim and the 80 jackasses at Duke made it harder by their actions.

I don't think their intentions were about their reputation.
too often schools try to keep it 'in house' and thus stop it from being reported. it sucks for a school to have tis star QB arrested for rape.
I think if anything they made it easier, girls at Duke at least know their professors will condemn their attackers.

reccles44 · #26 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

no osama won't have supporters. and they could easily choose someone either apolitical or non-controversal. at the very least someone who doesn't draw in thousand of people who protest. most other schools who do this have it go off without a hitch or protest. obviously its possible to choose someone who doesn't cause strife.

I'm not saying everyone will agree. were they to choose a sport's writer and I was there, I'd want someone else because I'm not into sports. but I wouldn't protest. I'm just be polite as I hear his speech and try not to look too bored.
disagreeing and feeling the need to protest are two different things.

and most people are tolerant of listening, not honoring.

universities come in all different forms liberla and conservative. Duke isn't all that liberal. frankly there was a lot of evidence against them and with the way campus rape is treated (or ignored) its nice that they felt the need to stand up and condemn it. sadly they were condemning something that never happened, but they had good intentions.

LOL I guess you missed it when a university had the President of Iran speak on its campus not too long ago.

wolf_22 · #27 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 10:06 AM

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LOL I guess you missed it when a university had the President of Iran speak on its campus not too long ago.

no I didn't. and we talked about that on the first or second page of this thread. go back and see.

kgpoolerev · #28 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

I don't think their intentions were about their reputation.
too often schools try to keep it 'in house' and thus stop it from being reported. it sucks for a school to have tis star QB arrested for rape.
I think if anything they made it easier, girls at Duke at least know their professors will condemn their attackers.

The Duke case was anything but 'in house'. From the start one of the accused had an alibi. The police then arrested and harrassed the taxi driver to try to shut him up. Remember all the nuts gathered outside the house banging pots and pans and disrupting the lives of innocent men because they were white and one of them used the 'n' word? The 80 professors tried to ruin the acedemic career of 3 innocent young men. Are you really justifying persecuting innocent men? Do you really think that the students at Duke are not more inclined to disbelieve claims of rape now?

wolf_22 · #29 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 08:01 PM

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The Duke case was anything but 'in house'. From the start one of the accused had an alibi. The police then arrested and harrassed the taxi driver to try to shut him up. Remember all the nuts gathered outside the house banging pots and pans and disrupting the lives of innocent men because they were white and one of them used the 'n' word? The 80 professors tried to ruin the acedemic career of 3 innocent young men. Are you really justifying persecuting innocent men? Do you really think that the students at Duke are not more inclined to disbelieve claims of rape now?

I didn't say that particular case was in house.

I don't know what information the professors had that made them automaticly side with the alledged victim. I'm not privy to the thought in their heads.
but I do know its good when a professor makes it clear that they are anti-rape and will defend victims not attackers.

it was the girl who hurt many other actual victims by expanding the myth that most rapes only happen in people's imaginations.
I think it was her and not the professors who caused rape victims to be disbelieved.

kgpoolerev · #30 (**permalink**) 05-21-2008, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wolf_22

I didn't say that particular case was in house.

I don't know what information the professors had that made them automaticly side with the alledged victim. I'm not privy to the thought in their heads.
but I do know its good when a professor makes it clear that they are anti-rape and will defend victims not attackers.

it was the girl who hurt many other actual victims by expanding the myth that most rapes only happen in people's imaginations.
I think it was her and not the professors who caused rape victims to be disbelieved.

The lady was lying, it is inaccurate to call her the alledged victim. We know now that she was lying the whole time. Early on it was clear she was lying and yet the eggheads decided that the 3 rich white boys just HAD to be guilty because they were rich and white. Supposedly the victim is crazy which is why she did not face charges for filing a false police report. Crazy is somewhat of a defence. What excuses do the professors have? Arrogance? Stupidity? Gullibility? They should have been smart enough to catch the lies early on. They should have reserved judgement instead of rushing to condemn the young men due to them being rich and white.

You bothered by the fact that early on Jesse Jackson promised the accuser a free college education even if she was lying?