Elite Opinion

kgpoolerev · #21 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by PPark

So you're saying if we lived in a fantasy world it would be a good idea?

I am hearing from Obama is the road programs would have to shut down if the 9 billion was not collected. On one hand Obama says it would not matter, on the other he says the government cannot afford to slightly reduce the earmarks and use that money to replace the very, very significant 9 billion saved by consumers. Make no doubt that consumers are paying that money, we pay it at the pumps, we pay it in the grocery store, and we pay it when we get on an airplane.

Now the Senate has proposed that the government stop filling the strategic reserve which would have about half the impact of a gas tax holiday. 5 dollars says you believe it would help even though it would have a much much smaller impact than the gas tax holiday.

Personally I say we should do both. The cumulative effect would help consumers.

I also say it is time for the Democrats to stop demagouging big oil while blocking all efforts to increase production in order to lower the costs to consumers. The Democrats do not want that as the government makes a lot more money when gas prices are higher. The Democrats profit when We, the People suffer.

reccles44 · #22 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kgpoolerev

I am hearing from Obama is the road programs would have to shut down if the 9 billion was not collected. On one hand Obama says it would not matter, on the other he says the government cannot afford to slightly reduce the earmarks and use that money to replace the very, very significant 9 billion saved by consumers. Make no doubt that consumers are paying that money, we pay it at the pumps, we pay it in the grocery store, and we pay it when we get on an airplane.

Now the Senate has proposed that the government stop filling the strategic reserve which would have about half the impact of a gas tax holiday. 5 dollars says you believe it would help even though it would have a much much smaller impact than the gas tax holiday.

Personally I say we should do both. The cumulative effect would help consumers.

I also say it is time for the Democrats to stop demagouging big oil while blocking all efforts to increase production in order to lower the costs to consumers. The Democrats do not want that as the government makes a lot more money when gas prices are higher. The Democrats profit when We, the People suffer.

Other than corp income taxes, I do not know how you see the government making more money on a gallon of gas. It is fixed be the gallon at $1 or $5.

The government for sure got more money due to the high profits the collective oil companies have made. By the way, this also included Citgo, the Hugo Chavez company.

What the government, especially the Democrats, don't want you to know is the fact that, depending on the state you live in, you are paying up to or over $1 in taxes for every gallon you pump. So lets see, when gas was $2 about half of that was taxes. When gas was $1.50, yup you got it only about .50 cents went to big oil. So who is making a killing on gas? Not big oil, especially when you compare it to big government.

9 Billion dollars in three months is almost as much as the big oil companies made all year. Again, who rakes in the bucks on your gas and at the same time prevents those same oil companies from investing in finding sources here at home?

wow · #23 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by naturemomma

For me, you're right, the economy isn't bad. I own my own business, and because of the housing market taking a turn for the worse, I have regeared by business to focus on many things that the consumer wants right now, a year ago my business was in a different place, but I am making the best of everything because I was prepared for this, yes. Now, did others - no. The construction market has taken a complete nose dive, yes larger companies are making huge profits, but not all of them. Meanwhile the little companies are going under. I care more about the little guy and less about the billionaires.

If Obama becomes President, your reward for being enterprising will be higher taxes!
Obama will force people like you and I to pay for that $1 Trillion he wants to give the UN each year.

IHNR · #24 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 11:50 AM

I love how the word "Elitist" has been thrown around for months... what does it mean to be an elitist because to me a person like GB, who has never had to work a day in life, never had to make any money (all of his business failed miserably.)

Daddy wrote the checks to bail out his dumb ass... and he is unintelligent.

So does elitist mean you are educated, doing well and have the intelligence to see through the bullshit that is offered up to the idiot masses of the United States?

kgpoolerev · #25 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by IHNR

I love how the word "Elitist" has been thrown around for months... what does it mean to be an elitist because to me a person like GB, who has never had to work a day in life, never had to make any money (all of his business failed miserably.)

Daddy wrote the checks to bail out his dumb ass... and he is unintelligent.

So does elitist mean you are educated, doing well and have the intelligence to see through the bullshit that is offered up to the idiot masses of the United States?

So did W never work or did he run businesses and thus worked? Do you want to make a point that W is an awful businessman or do you want to lie about him never working?

kgpoolerev · #26 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by reccles44

Other than corp income taxes, I do not know how you see the government making more money on a gallon of gas. It is fixed be the gallon at $1 or $5.

The government for sure got more money due to the high profits the collective oil companies have made. By the way, this also included Citgo, the Hugo Chavez company.

What the government, especially the Democrats, don't want you to know is the fact that, depending on the state you live in, you are paying up to or over $1 in taxes for every gallon you pump. So lets see, when gas was $2 about half of that was taxes. When gas was $1.50, yup you got it only about .50 cents went to big oil. So who is making a killing on gas? Not big oil, especially when you compare it to big government.

9 Billion dollars in three months is almost as much as the big oil companies made all year. Again, who rakes in the bucks on your gas and at the same time prevents those same oil companies from investing in finding sources here at home?

Those corporate taxes are billions a year just for Exxon which is Obama's favorite target.

PPark · #27 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 05:23 PM

"...on the other he says the government cannot afford to slightly reduce the earmarks and use that money to replace the very, very significant 9 billion saved by consumers."

Do you have a link for this? I'd love to see it.

Pork barrell spending and earmarks exploded from 1994 to 2006 which happens to coincide with Republican control of congress. The former tripled during that time frame and the latter went from roughly 600 annually to over 14,000. Turning this train around by Memorial day isn't going to happen. Given I'm a pay-go advocate that fantasy doesn't fly.

We've got more oil in our stategic reserves than we've had in decades. It's not a solution nor should Congress have to ask for it's release. The real question is why is it being held? Who benefits from the status quo?

naturemomma · #28 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wow

If Obama becomes President, your reward for being enterprising will be higher taxes!
Obama will force people like you and I to pay for that $1 Trillion he wants to give the UN each year.

I don't know about the UN, I know universal healthcare is on the table though. And I'm not for that either. Anyway...

Not only will he raise taxes... Have you heard what he wants to do with sub-contractors? He wants to put an end to them. Fucking rediculous... This will cause many people to go out of work. Companies (including mine) hire subs so we don't end up paying HUGE payroll taxes. DIpshit Obama wants to put an end to it. People will go under... I swear this guy wants to make everyone end up on welfare... Fucking bullshit!

kgpoolerev · #29 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PPark

"...on the other he says the government cannot afford to slightly reduce the earmarks and use that money to replace the very, very significant 9 billion saved by consumers."

Do you have a link for this? I'd love to see it.

Pork barrell spending and earmarks exploded from 1994 to 2006 which happens to coincide with Republican control of congress. The former tripled during that time frame and the latter went from roughly 600 annually to over 14,000. Turning this train around by Memorial day isn't going to happen. Given I'm a pay-go advocate that fantasy doesn't fly.

We've got more oil in our stategic reserves than we've had in decades. It's not a solution nor should Congress have to ask for it's release. The real question is why is it being held? Who benefits from the status quo?

I did have to infer what Obama was saying. He said that we would have to shut down many road projects and loose thousands of jobs. However logically speaking just a small reduction in the earmarks or pork spending would more than cover the 9 billion in revenue.

As you are a pay-go supporter I am assuming you will not be voting for neither Obama nor Clinton. A pity Newt is not running so you could vote for the man who gave us balanced budgets in the 90s.

It is a pity that many Republicans turned toward buying reelections instead of earning them. However conservatives like me fought to get many of the bums kicked out in 06 knowing full well the Democrats would do the same thing and not live up to their campaign promises. We were right and just as I said in 06, many Democrats will not hold their candidates accountable. What we need now is either party to come out with a new Contract with America and institute real changes such as pusing to have reelectablity to maintaining a balanced budget without increasing taxes in any way, shape, or form.

Agent_Grey · #30 (**permalink**) 05-15-2008, 06:44 PM

*whispering*

He's a secret muslim!