Well, thanks for nothing! You didn't answer any of the above facts truthfully.

First and foremost, Google "who rules America" for the truth about media and it's control of "mainstream" thinking and government. Then maybe you can get me a list of non-jew media outlets, publishing companies and while you're at it, lobbiest firms who are neither jew owned or zionist controlled.

The central bank, is the privately held Federal Reserve, which is owned and controlled by international jew banksters, Rockerfella, Morgan, Rothschild, et al.

They create government funding by credit entry on a ledger, which destroys the value of the dollars in our pockets (inflation), then we have all of our taxes going to them to pay interest on a loan to our government, which cost the jews nothing, but cost Americans the value of our currency. They are syphoning off 1/3 of our money, and when you add in inflation, they are getting half of what we have left, and it cost them nothing.

With your lies above refuted, you tell me who rules America.

No point debating you, you have no integrity.

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Actually I very clearly demonstrated why each one of them was not a fact. If you would like to give a counter-argument to anything I wrote instead of blankly stating that it was all wrong, you might make a much better case.

You may recall I did this experiment for you once already. I posted why each of the first five sites to come up was rediculous, unfounded, and contradictory. You again chose not to counter-argue. I did the same once when you posted me to direct links. You got angry and upset and again refused to actually debate the merits of any of them.

Let's just go hypothetical a second: If I can produce for you such a list will it make you change your tune? Or will you simply play six-degrees of seperation and tell me why each one is still REALLY Jewish run, even if there isn't actually a Jew in the top seat.

And equally hypothetical, lets say I can't. As I said in one of my earlier refutions of your "facts" there are certainly a large number of Jews in the media. This goes wayyyyy back. Given that this is the case, is there anything you could be shown that would prove to you that despite this fact, the Jewish media men are no more in cahoots with each other than Irish police officers or Asian Grocers?

Okay, first of all, let me comend you. This is the first time in this whole thread you've actually responded to a specific point I made. Now we can have an actual back-and-forth over it.

Point 1: The Federal Reserve sure as hell wasn't established by Jews, and its policies have not seen major shifts, which suggests that no grand agenda has ever been under way by its numerous chairmen and investors.

Point2: Jewish money *is* a reality. I wouldn't dream of disputing that. If you look in my thread under the History section of this site I talk a little bit about how that came to be. Any time that there's a lot of money involved, whether its business, media or banking, its very difficult not to find a prominant Jewish investment somewhere. Jewish money is old, and for the most part, rightfully earned.

Point 3: I've addressed your initial thrust. Now I'd like you to address one of mine: Why Jews? If you look at the Senate or the Presidancy, you see a pretty major bias towards protestant white males. Why do you feel large Jewish presence in one part of the economy constitutes some sort of conspiracy, yet ignore the prevelance of other racial groups in other areas?

Familly business is a reality, and Jewish presense in banks is an old familly business. And banking is tied to just about every other sector of the economy, both domestic and global. But none of this means that there's sinister intent or motive, which you have failed again and again to provide beyond what can only be described as the rambling diatribes of people who had an Anti-Jewish bias before they put pen to paper.

Woah woah woah, hang on here, back that up with something. American businesses of ALL racial and ethnic backgrounds have encouraged our massive borrowing from and investment in overseas labor. That has devalued the dollar, not some behind-the-scenes ledger.

That's simply not true. Tax money goes to every portion of the budget. Its well documented. And think about it, under one Jewish Chairman, we balanced that budget and the dollar gained value dramatically. Under the next, we unbalanced the budget, and the dollar dropped in value.

Another basic contradiction to your viewpoint as a whole is that according to you, Jews have been in control of many facets of society over a long period of time, but you completely ignore the fact that society has changed and changed and changed. If Jewish Control were the central issue facing our country, then wouldn't there be some uniformity to their agenda? Some themes that come up over and over again, more than their mere presence in the third and fourth estates?

No. They aren't. Greenspan does not go home at the end of the day with another two-trillion in his bank account. In fact, no Jew does. Look at the current economic climate, while banks aren't breaking, they are losing profitability in spades.

They weren't, and no one "rules" America. Given how much of our time is spent on in-fighting and frictions such as this very debate, its a joke to think any segment of the country is working towards a single purpose, Jews and Gentiles alike.



You're trying to escape again. You don't like this. You don't like having your views challenged by truth. I'm not stopping you from leaving the thread, but I'm not going to let your unsubstantiated claims fester either. If you continue to post lies, I will continue to post the simple, basic truths that contradict them.

Ted turner soent make it not true. thats the best you got. Prety lame

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Icey - You cast doubts on someone else's integrity??? That means allot coming from you.

Here's what you have going for you.

You are a Ron Paul supporter (who believes he will still win).
You are a liar
You are cheat and a fraud
You will not listen to the facts (as you live in your own little world of reality)

You have allot going for ya.

Now to be serious for a brief moment.

In typical Icey fashion when confronted with the facts you run away and dismiss them. Mr. Grey has a different background then I, and I disagree with him on some of his views (particularly the war). However he defends his position quite well and logically, and thoroughly.

I attack you because you are filled with hate. You will not even open the door a smidge to admit that what you believe might be wrong. You asked Mr. Grey to google something in the past and he did. He came back and discussed each item. And when he does that you just dismiss his comments by attacking him or simply dismissing them. And now you just want to send him off to do the same thing. If he provides you with a site to look at you just brush it off because it does not defend your position. So it must be part of the conspiracy.

Open your mind you fool. Maybe the truth lies somewhere in the middle or even to just one side. Maybe his, maybe yours. But your extremist views and clear hatred are the same as what has gotten the world into the situation it is in. Not just in the middle east, but in different nations in Africa, Eastern Europe.......

Why don't you google "how can I help America?" and see what you get. How about "what's great about America?"

I do not agree with all that our country does or what goes on. We have our share of corruption and stupid policies etc. But they are not just from one side of the isle, or from one group of people. Just like everything else it is because of greed, ignorance and the quest for wealth and power. For my job I travel all over the world. I see how others live, how others are suppressed and how others are treated because of hate and bigotry. People are jailed and executed for the type of discontent that you promote.

I am sure you and your friends will just dismiss all this, but just think outside the box for a moment. Give it a shot.

Enough Drival. Will you go take the signs out of your yard please!! He is not going to win!

Agent:

Try to educate yourself on the central bank, either you're lying and really know (which I suspect) or you really haven't a clue.
The Federal Reserve: History of Lies, Thievery, and Deceit

When you look at the U.S. budget and income tax revenue, you'll see that the interest on the national debt (from nothing) and the total tax collected are about the same. I might add that the income tax was never ratified lawfully and is therefore theft.

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Okay, Firstly, Consider the source. Ken Matto is a nutjob, and not just about his perception of this. Failing to get an office you run for is not credentials to insight about the inner workings of the US economy. Now lets address his piece point by point.

It doesn't. It's high now. It was high in 1993. By the end of the Clinton Administration we didn't have a national debt.

One of the most ungodly and fraudulent institutions ever perpetrated on the American people and the world, is the Federal Reserve System which through deceit became the central bank of the United States in 1913. The idea came about on a meeting in Jekyl Island off the coast of Georgia in 1910. The bankers in this country, especially J.P. Morgan, created a currency panic in 1907 in order to get the American people to accept the idea of a central bank.

This totally omits the existance of the Bank of the US decades prior. It was every bit as much of a central bank. Andrew Jackson had a personal vendetta with it as an instutition, and as a result pushed legislation through to disband and make it illegal for the US government to have its own central banking. The result? A long recession and general economic instability that was not resolved until private institutions such as J.P. Morgan stepped up to the plate.

I would also be eager to see how a currency panic was created. It just sort of says it here without backing it up at all. I'm aware of the question at the time of currency backing, but that had as much to do with the U.S. economy expanding at a rate that didn't look like it could be maintained with gold alone. There is much debate as to the reason for this, but there is no evidence (at least certainly none provided here) to suggest a united Jewish effort to do so.


A central bank already existed in England from as far back as 1694. The Rothschilds completely dominate the banking system. It is estimated their wealth goes into the trillions.



From Wikipedia.

I'll attack the rest of this poorly researched, reactionary tripe a little later on. Work is pulling me away to other duties for a bit.

GoDuke, for heaven's sake man, where do you think your credibility is at this point judging from your behavior towards IcyPeacemaker? For me you're just reinforcing my beliefs of jewish cunning and deceitfulness by personally attacking the man in an effort to discredit him. You've only discredited yourself. You're reminding me of a pesky gnat that won't stop swarming. Prove me wrong about this, will you?


Agent Grey, I don't think you're making your points as well as you say against Icy's. In his last link is a list of the Federal Reserve Banks. Do you agree that this is an accurate list? Is there a single non-jewish entity on this list?

I believe that most people can be bought at some price. Just think of all the infighting and FAMILIES splitting up when grandpa dies and his wealth is sitting there waiting for whomever can take it quickest. It's an ugly sight, the power of money.

The Federal Reserve banks easily have it within their grasp to control politics and politicians in various countries from such control of MONEY. Isn't it really just a question of if or not such control of countries is being exercised. I personally am not naive enough to think that so much money power, concentrated in the hands of old money families, would go unwielded.

GoDuke, for heaven's sake man, where do you think your credibility is at this point judging from your behavior towards IcyPeacemaker? For me you're just reinforcing my beliefs of jewish cunning and deceitfulness by personally attacking the man in an effort to discredit him. You've only discredited yourself. You're reminding me of a pesky gnat that won't stop swarming. Prove me wrong about this, will you?


Agent Grey, I don't think you're making your points as well as you say against Icy's. In his last link is a list of the Federal Reserve Banks. Do you agree that this is an accurate list? Is there a single non-jewish entity on this list?

I believe that most people can be bought at some price. Just think of all the infighting and FAMILIES splitting up when grandpa dies and his wealth is sitting there waiting for whomever can take it quickest. It's an ugly sight, the power of money.

The Federal Reserve banks easily have it within their grasp to control politics and politicians in various countries from such control of MONEY. Isn't it really just a question of if or not such control of countries is being exercised. I personally am not naive enough to think that so much money power, concentrated in the hands of old money families, would go unwielded.

LOL, you are kidding on this, right? I mean seriously now.....

Oh, those banks are not part of the "Federal Reserve" any more than ANY bank is a member of the "Federal Reserve"

If you care to be educated, I would suggest you wiki what the Fedreal Reserve Bank does.

In other wards you stil havent got shit.

Your a nutjob. Id concider the source from you. Thats your great defence. A nutjob. worthless. Thats good reserch huh.

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Cussing out low class inbreds isnt uninteligent, its honest

Good typing is not inteligent its dexiteritous.

Everything you just said is total bullshit

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

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