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05-02-2008, 11:14 PM
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You must work for an Oil Company. For that I call you a traitor. 1. Did their record profits help our Union? Did their record profits help in R & D to break the stranglehold of Oil, our foreign dependence on energy? Do you give a shit, or, our you padding your pockets just as the CEO's did before they bailed. Bring on the Gallows.
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Funny, it seems most people could give a flying fuck if the oil companies' record profits helped your union. Maybe that's because it's just another kind of special interest group?
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05-02-2008, 11:34 PM
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I think they were paying 14 cents a gallon in Iraq before we invaded and choked off their supply. It's now much more.
Venezuela was something like 25 cents.
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05-02-2008, 11:35 PM
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So what?
10 dollars a gallon in England has no bearing on the US. You might want to point out that most of the is taxes. So unless you are recommending taxes then you have no point. Unless you are saying we should lead the same life style as the people in Sierra Leone you have no point.
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05-02-2008, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by basharp1
You must work for an Oil Company. For that I call you a traitor. 1. Did their record profits help our Union? Did their record profits help in R & D to break the stranglehold of Oil, our foreign dependence on energy? Do you give a shit, or, our you padding your pockets just as the CEO's did before they bailed. Bring on the Gallows.
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Did you even bother to notice that the profit for Exxon only grew by 2.8% while their sales grew by 7.4% so they accepted a loss in margin.
Are companies allowed to make more money than they did the year before? If so how much is an acceptable amount to you? What is an acceptable margin on investment? Do you think ALL businesses should be nationalized?
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05-02-2008, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by kgpoolerev
So what?
10 dollars a gallon in England has no bearing on the US. You might want to point out that most of the is taxes. So unless you are recommending taxes then you have no point. Unless you are saying we should lead the same life style as the people in Sierra Leone you have no point.
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Yes I have a point. You cry baby pussies can either suck it up, shut up, or nationalize the oil industry. But in any case, the days of cheap gas are gone, forever.
Crying over the oil company making a 10% annual profit is just plain stupid, but it's all you fools can do.
Now if the price of gas is so fucking important to you, it only about $0.15 in Venezuela and $0.45 in Saudi Arabia. You can always fucking move.
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05-03-2008, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Teak
Yes I have a point. You cry baby pussies can either suck it up, shut up, or nationalize the oil industry. But in any case, the days of cheap gas are gone, forever.
Crying over the oil company making a 10% annual profit is just plain stupid, but it's all you fools can do.
Now if the price of gas is so fucking important to you, it only about $0.15 in Venezuela and $0.45 in Saudi Arabia. You can always fucking move.
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If you are not bright enough to realize that developing oil resources in the US on and off our coast will lead to much lower prices then you have become a liberal unable to think. If you want to make your figures useful in the least you need to convert the other countries' currencies to dollars and then remove the taxes from both the the price in the US and the price in the other country you are comparing. Only then do you numbers mean anything.
You are spewing a lot of information that has absolutely no context and no relevence.
In case you are not smart enough to notice, I have been complaining on another thread about the Democratic candidates lying about big oil gouging and making windfall profits. I even used the author's own site to demonstrate on this thread that Exxon take a margin hit in 2007 which clearly makes claims of windfall profits and gouging to be gross lies and fear mongering by the demagogues in the Democratic party.
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05-03-2008, 01:08 PM
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"If you are not bright enough to realize that developing oil resources in the US on and off our coast will lead to much lower prices then you have become a liberal unable to think."
--Cletus
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05-03-2008, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by kgpoolerev
If you are not bright enough to realize that developing oil resources in the US on and off our coast will lead to much lower prices then you have become a liberal unable to think. If you want to make your figures useful in the least you need to convert the other countries' currencies to dollars and then remove the taxes from both the the price in the US and the price in the other country you are comparing. Only then do you numbers mean anything.
You are spewing a lot of information that has absolutely no context and no relevence.
In case you are not smart enough to notice, I have been complaining on another thread about the Democratic candidates lying about big oil gouging and making windfall profits. I even used the author's own site to demonstrate on this thread that Exxon take a margin hit in 2007 which clearly makes claims of windfall profits and gouging to be gross lies and fear mongering by the demagogues in the Democratic party.
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Listen, sonny, you can develop all the oil you want. You can drill in the Arctic, off any cost, mine for oil shale. It won't make a damn bit of difference. THE DAYS OF CHEAP GAS ARE OVER. Now suck it up. There are just to many countries now making demands on the resources that remain.
It was one thing when the US and Europe were the only ones utilizing oil, (or nearly so) now every nation is requiring more and more. YOU are the one failing to recognize reality. You will be much better served to start demanding a viable replacement for oil, and oil derived products, because they are only going to get more expensive. Regardless of what you think, say, or fucking do.
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05-03-2008, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Teak
Listen, sonny, you can develop all the oil you want. You can drill in the Arctic, off any cost, mine for oil shale. It won't make a damn bit of difference. THE DAYS OF CHEAP GAS ARE OVER. Now suck it up. There are just to many countries now making demands on the resources that remain.
It was one thing when the US and Europe were the only ones utilizing oil, (or nearly so) now every nation is requiring more and more. YOU are the one failing to recognize reality. You will be much better served to start demanding a viable replacement for oil, and oil derived products, because they are only going to get more expensive. Regardless of what you think, say, or fucking do.
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Look here cumquat, when more oil reserves are developed then the OPEC nations will step up production. You are correct in that if no new oil is added then prices will not go down. Supply goes up, prices go down. Demand goes up, prices go up. Supply and demand go up, prices remain fairly steady.
By the way were did you come up with cheap? We are discussing ways to make oil more affordable, not cheap.
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05-03-2008, 02:04 PM
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Look here cumquat, when more oil reserves are developed then the OPEC nations will step up production. You are correct in that if no new oil is added then prices will not go down. Supply goes up, prices go down. Demand goes up, prices go up. Supply and demand go up, prices remain fairly steady.
By the way were did you come up with cheap? We are discussing ways to make oil more affordable, not cheap.
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Keep dreaming there Alice. Toto is right beside you, but where is the tin man?
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